[hackerspaces] Fwd: Vaping in Spaces?

[Volatile Compound]

There have been...  Banishments, at least until such time as the
offending odours have been rectified.

But yeah, without some sort of codification of personal hygiene, it
seems like there's a good chunk of the populace out there who just don't
bother with it.

- skroo.

On 10/8/14 1:12 PM, matt wrote:
> Uhm...   do people allow people into their space who haven't bathed? 
> That seems insane.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Volatile Compound
> <volatilecompound at gmail.com <mailto:volatilecompound at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     If we're banning things based on smells, then the only logical thing to
>     do is also adopt a policy requiring everyone to take a shower (with
>     soap) before coming over to the hackerspace in addition to brushing
>     their teeth.  Also, no farting in the hackerspace.  And for fuck's sake,
>     WIPE PROPERLY.  It's 102 degrees out there today, but even if it was 40
>     below that's still no excuse.
> 
>     - skroo.
> 
>     On 10/8/14 12:46 PM, JB Zurn wrote:
>     > Note: It simplifies the discussion immensely if we focus on the facts.
>     > It smells. Some people are bothered by smells.
>     >
>     > If I habitually brought my favorite liverwurst and onion sandwiches into
>     > the hackerspace, I'd get complaints too.
>     >
>     > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Matthew McCabe <matt at mrmccabe.com <mailto:matt at mrmccabe.com>
>     > <mailto:matt at mrmccabe.com <mailto:matt at mrmccabe.com>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Warning: trolls ahead, use caution
>     >
>     >     On Oct 8, 2014 11:38 AM, "John Q. Hacker" <dreamingforward at gmail.com <mailto:dreamingforward at gmail.com>
>     >     <mailto:dreamingforward at gmail.com <mailto:dreamingforward at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >         On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Matthew McCabe
>     >         <matt at mrmccabe.com <mailto:matt at mrmccabe.com>
>     <mailto:matt at mrmccabe.com <mailto:matt at mrmccabe.com>>> wrote:
>     >         > There is no documented medical evidence showing that vaping
>     >         leads to any
>     >         > kind of harm to the person using the vaporizer or people
>     >         inhaling the vapor
>     >         > 2nd hand.  (If you have some links to peer reviewed medical
>     >         journals, I
>     >         > would love to read them.)
>     >
>     >         The speaker above is a Matrix construct for the e-cig
>     industry.  "No
>     >         evidence that vaping leads to any kind of harm" is that
>     EXACT same
>     >         argument Philip J. Morris and companies used to get out of any
>     >         liability of lung cancer for promoting cigarettes ("There
>     is no
>     >         medical evidence that cigarettes cause lung cancer.").
>     >
>     >         Just in case you missed the fallacy:  no evidence against
>     (P ->
>     >         Q) is
>     >         not the same as ~Q, given P.  Q being some bad consequence of
>     >         vaping,
>     >         and P being vaping itself.  The rest of his diatribe is purely
>     >         made to
>     >         gain your trust ("I have a hackerspace ATX", "Be sure to
>     check your
>     >         local laws", etc.)
>     >
>     >         Logic-is-good,  evil is bad.  Get clued-in and follow the
>     >         OneTruePath.
>     >
>     >         Marxos
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