[hackerspaces] Does the maker culture get the step on the hackers culture?

[Naomi Most]

"No, just use right words."

That presupposes there are ideally "right" and "wrong" words.

--Naomi


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
<aurelien at hackers.camp> wrote:
> Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> writes:
>
>> "Recently I told to someone on the list to the importance of words."
>>
>> Yes, and you didn't take my point about how attempting to define a
>> Platonic ideal of "hacker" would not solve any problems.  So let me
>> make it another way.
>
> You mean Platon don't take your point about the importance of using
> right words.
>
>> What are you are really talking about is weaponizing words.  You are
>> suggesting that If Only we could come up with labels that are Really
>> True, then we could label ourselves Hackers and easily evict The
>> Others by simply pointing a finger and saying "those are the Crackers
>> and they don't belong here."
>>
>> Here is a short list of movements that have used this technique:
>>
>> * witch-hunts
>> * the McCarthy trials of the 1950s
>> * the War on Terror
>>
>> In this thread you are making a much softer point about the difference
>> between a "hackerspace" and a "makerspace".  At best, enumerating the
>> differences between these two is an academic exercise.  At worst, this
>> discussion only leads to extremism, pointing of fingers, and failure
>> to find common ground.
>>
>> What's the point?
>>
>> --Naomi
>>
>>
>
> No, just use right words.
>
> Do not make me say what I have never say, never think.
>
>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
>> <aurelien at hackers.camp> wrote:
>>>
>>> A simple question that is real.
>>>
>>> Google the words and look the difference.
>>>
>>> Recently I told to someone on the list to the importance of words.
>>>
>>> Or the black side stick on the hackers word seems to goes against our
>>> culture.
>>>
>>>
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>>> Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
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>>>
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> Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
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