[hackerspaces] Does the maker culture get the step on the hackers culture?

[Al Billings]

It's all hacking, whether you do it with a dremel or a compiler. You're making something, hacking things together and producing a result.

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:

> "No, just use right words."
> That presupposes there are ideally "right" and "wrong" words.
> --Naomi
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
> <aurelien at hackers.camp> wrote:
>> Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> "Recently I told to someone on the list to the importance of words."
>>>
>>> Yes, and you didn't take my point about how attempting to define a
>>> Platonic ideal of "hacker" would not solve any problems.  So let me
>>> make it another way.
>>
>> You mean Platon don't take your point about the importance of using
>> right words.
>>
>>> What are you are really talking about is weaponizing words.  You are
>>> suggesting that If Only we could come up with labels that are Really
>>> True, then we could label ourselves Hackers and easily evict The
>>> Others by simply pointing a finger and saying "those are the Crackers
>>> and they don't belong here."
>>>
>>> Here is a short list of movements that have used this technique:
>>>
>>> * witch-hunts
>>> * the McCarthy trials of the 1950s
>>> * the War on Terror
>>>
>>> In this thread you are making a much softer point about the difference
>>> between a "hackerspace" and a "makerspace".  At best, enumerating the
>>> differences between these two is an academic exercise.  At worst, this
>>> discussion only leads to extremism, pointing of fingers, and failure
>>> to find common ground.
>>>
>>> What's the point?
>>>
>>> --Naomi
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No, just use right words.
>>
>> Do not make me say what I have never say, never think.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
>>> <aurelien at hackers.camp> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A simple question that is real.
>>>>
>>>> Google the words and look the difference.
>>>>
>>>> Recently I told to someone on the list to the importance of words.
>>>>
>>>> Or the black side stick on the hackers word seems to goes against our
>>>> culture.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
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>> Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
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