[hackerspaces] Firearms in Hackerspaces?

Matt Joyce matt at nycresistor.com
Thu Jan 17 00:33:43 CET 2013

had rather.

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
> Thought this might be interesting to a few.
> http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/19/Flashback-Dianne-Feinstein-s-own-conceal-carry-permit-story
> One of the foremost advocates for gun control in the Senate, has a
> license to carry a concealed firearm.
> It's not necessarily a moral issue guys.
> -Matt
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Pavol Luptak <wilder at trip.sk> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 03:12:30PM -0800, Jake wrote:
>>> you seem to propose that multiple sources of bullets would make
>>> everyone safer, or that if the situation hasn't progressed to
>>> shooting yet, the "gun wielding ass-hat" would be more easily
>>> escorted off the property by armed hackers (as opposed to law
>>> enforcement or unarmed hackers).
>> I agree with you (logically if we have totally 10 guns in the world, there
>> will be less gun-murders than in the situation when we have millions of guns).
>> On the other hand, many guns (and other killing tools) is just a result of
>> our technical evolution and this cannot be reversed back (atomic bomb
>> unfortunately cannot be 'uninvented').
>> I really would wish a society without any weapons/guns, but this is just an
>> utopia.
>> I think the problem of gun-control is that it is 'centrally forced' by
>> the government that decides who can own guns (police + army) and who cannot.
>> (massive gun-control was used by Hitler and Lenin to gain the state domination
>> over their citizens).
>> So I would really appreciate (if it is possible) to have a decentralized
>> gun-control (= to take guns also from the bad government and bad people).
>> But have no idea how to achieve it.
>> I don't like guns and wish no one would have it, but if I want to be ethically
>> consistent, rational and live in a non-coercion society (I am voluntary-ist),
>> I simply need to accept fact that everybody has a right to have a gun to
>> defend himself.
>>> the NRA and gun nuts like those who suggest every school should have
>>> an armed guard (some say every classroom) say that more guns == more
>>> safe. Those people include Nancy Lanza (mother of the Newtown
>>> schooter and his first victim) and Keith Ratliff (found shot in his
>>> office) and countless parents whose children found their guns and
>>> killed themselves or others.
>> Personally in the US I don't see problems in guns, but in psychological
>> healthiness of the society (don't take it personally, I have a huge number of
>> american friends :)
>> In Switzerland almost every adult has a gun and there are almost none
>> gun-murders.
>> I think US citizens should improve their psychological healthiness,
>> be more happy, less depressive, etc.
>> I see a corellation between the number of people that need psychoterapists
>> and number of prisoned people and number of gun-murdered people.
>> Unfortunately in the US there is the highest concentration of prisoners
>> in the world (more than was in Stalin's gulags) and this is definitely not
>> a healthy society...
>> Pavol
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