[hackerspaces] Firearms in Hackerspaces?

[Michel Gallant]

It's pretty bloody obvious what someone means when they say "gun" and to
get hung up on definitions by hauling Nerf guns into the picture is just
being pedantic.


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Tim Krabec <tkrabec at gmail.com> wrote:

> but talking about banning guns, but not referencing other types is being
> forthcoming?
> If I were to visit your hackerspace I would follow your spaces rules on
> guns.
> Did you know there are 22,000+ laws regulating guns (in the US)?
> In My state pretty much anything that shoots a projectile, be it a bullet,
> foam, t-shirt, etc is pretty much defined as a fire-arm.  So defining what
> type of "gun" is very important.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dragging them into the debate in the first place was just an attempt at
>> deflecting the discussion away from killing machines.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Tim Krabec <tkrabec at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was not simply talking about nerf & nail guns.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not talking about nail guns or nerf guns, nice try.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Tim Krabec <tkrabec at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nail gun, Nerf Gun.
>>>>> I'll agree that guns were originally designed for ending lives, but
>>>>> they are now also used for target shooting.  In the Case of nerf guns they
>>>>> are just plain fun.  They have been modified to shoot nails, staples, etc.
>>>>> Also T-Shirts and Potato guns.
>>>>>
>>>>> With that said, Look at what the goal of the hacker space is, look at
>>>>> the members, local, state & national laws, and make a decision best for
>>>>> your space.  I for one do not plan on denying entry to those carrying.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was addressing Pete's equivocation of guns with other tools. A gun
>>>>>> is a tool for ending lives. Why is it insane to be afraid of having that
>>>>>> dangerous, single-use tool at a hackerspace?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Phillip Rhodes <
>>>>>> motley.crue.fan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If that were true, then how could anyone ever use a drill press, band
>>>>>>> saw, lathe, etc.
>>>>>>> I think having a healthy-respect for tools is one thing, but being
>>>>>>> *afraid* of them is quite
>>>>>>> something else.  But maybe we're just debating semantics?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At any rate, all tools can be dangerous and deserve to be used with
>>>>>>> care and
>>>>>>> the proper precautions.  In that regard, how is a pistol any
>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>> from a band-saw?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Being afraid of tools that can rip your fingers off isn't insane,
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> > healthy. You are insane to claim otherwise.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Mark Atwood <me at mark.atwood.name>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Pete Prodoehl <raster at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > Here's a quick question for US-based hacker/makerspaces... Do
>>>>>>> you have a
>>>>>>> >> > firearms ban at your space, and if so, what are some of the
>>>>>>> reasons behind
>>>>>>> >> > the decision?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> We don't have a rule at our space.  Our space is a member-oriented
>>>>>>> >> space, no "general public" except as guests of members or as
>>>>>>> visitors
>>>>>>> >> to specific private events.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> If such a rule was proposed, I would argue strongly against it.
>>>>>>>  If
>>>>>>> >> someone is a legal owner/carrier of a firearm, if we can't trust
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> >> with their gun, we can't trust them with all the tools *either*.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> More generally, if someone in a makerspace is "afraid" of guns,
>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>> >> insane.  They should be afraid of all the other tools too.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> ..m
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