[hackerspaces] Firearms in Hackerspaces?

Mon Jan 14 22:03:06 CET 2013

So choosing a better term such as Firearm as opposed to gun? would be too
much to ask?  Imagine a hacker space wrote the rules as simple "gun" and
not firearm, or another equally descriptive term.  Many things could be
banned, due to lack of clarity.
And yes I have a pretty good idea what most people mean by the term "gun",
but gun is a very generic term like weapon.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's pretty bloody obvious what someone means when they say "gun" and to
> get hung up on definitions by hauling Nerf guns into the picture is just
> being pedantic.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Tim Krabec <tkrabec at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> but talking about banning guns, but not referencing other types is being
>> forthcoming?
>> If I were to visit your hackerspace I would follow your spaces rules on
>> guns.
>> Did you know there are 22,000+ laws regulating guns (in the US)?
>> In My state pretty much anything that shoots a projectile, be it a
>> bullet, foam, t-shirt, etc is pretty much defined as a fire-arm.  So
>> defining what type of "gun" is very important.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dragging them into the debate in the first place was just an attempt at
>>> deflecting the discussion away from killing machines.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Tim Krabec <tkrabec at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was not simply talking about nerf & nail guns.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not talking about nail guns or nerf guns, nice try.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Tim Krabec <tkrabec at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nail gun, Nerf Gun.
>>>>>> I'll agree that guns were originally designed for ending lives, but
>>>>>> they are now also used for target shooting.  In the Case of nerf guns they
>>>>>> are just plain fun.  They have been modified to shoot nails, staples, etc.
>>>>>> Also T-Shirts and Potato guns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With that said, Look at what the goal of the hacker space is, look at
>>>>>> the members, local, state & national laws, and make a decision best for
>>>>>> your space.  I for one do not plan on denying entry to those carrying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was addressing Pete's equivocation of guns with other tools. A gun
>>>>>>> is a tool for ending lives. Why is it insane to be afraid of having that
>>>>>>> dangerous, single-use tool at a hackerspace?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Phillip Rhodes <
>>>>>>> motley.crue.fan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If that were true, then how could anyone ever use a drill press,
>>>>>>>> band
>>>>>>>> saw, lathe, etc.
>>>>>>>> I think having a healthy-respect for tools is one thing, but being
>>>>>>>> *afraid* of them is quite
>>>>>>>> something else.  But maybe we're just debating semantics?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At any rate, all tools can be dangerous and deserve to be used with
>>>>>>>> care and
>>>>>>>> the proper precautions.  In that regard, how is a pistol any
>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>> from a band-saw?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Being afraid of tools that can rip your fingers off isn't insane,
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> > healthy. You are insane to claim otherwise.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Mark Atwood <me at mark.atwood.name>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Pete Prodoehl <raster at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > Here's a quick question for US-based hacker/makerspaces... Do
>>>>>>>> you have a
>>>>>>>> >> > firearms ban at your space, and if so, what are some of the
>>>>>>>> reasons behind
>>>>>>>> >> > the decision?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> We don't have a rule at our space.  Our space is a
>>>>>>>> member-oriented
>>>>>>>> >> space, no "general public" except as guests of members or as
>>>>>>>> visitors
>>>>>>>> >> to specific private events.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> If such a rule was proposed, I would argue strongly against it.
>>>>>>>>  If
>>>>>>>> >> someone is a legal owner/carrier of a firearm, if we can't trust
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> >> with their gun, we can't trust them with all the tools *either*.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> More generally, if someone in a makerspace is "afraid" of guns,
>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>> >> insane.  They should be afraid of all the other tools too.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> ..m
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