[hackerspaces] Firearms in Hackerspaces?

[Tim Krabec]

but talking about banning guns, but not referencing other types is being
forthcoming?
If I were to visit your hackerspace I would follow your spaces rules on
guns.
Did you know there are 22,000+ laws regulating guns (in the US)?
In My state pretty much anything that shoots a projectile, be it a bullet,
foam, t-shirt, etc is pretty much defined as a fire-arm.  So defining what
type of "gun" is very important.



On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dragging them into the debate in the first place was just an attempt at
> deflecting the discussion away from killing machines.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Tim Krabec <tkrabec at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was not simply talking about nerf & nail guns.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not talking about nail guns or nerf guns, nice try.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Tim Krabec <tkrabec at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nail gun, Nerf Gun.
>>>> I'll agree that guns were originally designed for ending lives, but
>>>> they are now also used for target shooting.  In the Case of nerf guns they
>>>> are just plain fun.  They have been modified to shoot nails, staples, etc.
>>>> Also T-Shirts and Potato guns.
>>>>
>>>> With that said, Look at what the goal of the hacker space is, look at
>>>> the members, local, state & national laws, and make a decision best for
>>>> your space.  I for one do not plan on denying entry to those carrying.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was addressing Pete's equivocation of guns with other tools. A gun
>>>>> is a tool for ending lives. Why is it insane to be afraid of having that
>>>>> dangerous, single-use tool at a hackerspace?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Phillip Rhodes <
>>>>> motley.crue.fan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If that were true, then how could anyone ever use a drill press, band
>>>>>> saw, lathe, etc.
>>>>>> I think having a healthy-respect for tools is one thing, but being
>>>>>> *afraid* of them is quite
>>>>>> something else.  But maybe we're just debating semantics?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At any rate, all tools can be dangerous and deserve to be used with
>>>>>> care and
>>>>>> the proper precautions.  In that regard, how is a pistol any different
>>>>>> from a band-saw?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > Being afraid of tools that can rip your fingers off isn't insane,
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> > healthy. You are insane to claim otherwise.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Mark Atwood <me at mark.atwood.name>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Pete Prodoehl <raster at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Here's a quick question for US-based hacker/makerspaces... Do
>>>>>> you have a
>>>>>> >> > firearms ban at your space, and if so, what are some of the
>>>>>> reasons behind
>>>>>> >> > the decision?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> We don't have a rule at our space.  Our space is a member-oriented
>>>>>> >> space, no "general public" except as guests of members or as
>>>>>> visitors
>>>>>> >> to specific private events.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> If such a rule was proposed, I would argue strongly against it.  If
>>>>>> >> someone is a legal owner/carrier of a firearm, if we can't trust
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> >> with their gun, we can't trust them with all the tools *either*.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> More generally, if someone in a makerspace is "afraid" of guns,
>>>>>> that's
>>>>>> >> insane.  They should be afraid of all the other tools too.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> ..m
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