[hackerspaces] Help me make it happen for 'hackert0wn' on Indiegogo

Arclight arclight at gmail.com
Wed Oct 3 22:12:23 CEST 2012

You're spot on about the fire protection/etc. There's a big art space
in Boise, ID that has several CONEX boxes inside of a huge warehouse,
where they're used as little gallery rooms. They had to have the doors
removed, big holes cut in the roof, and fire sprinklers brought in
from the ceiling. I think there were maybe 4 sprinklers per box.


On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Sam Ley <sam.ley at gmail.com> wrote:
> Containers are meant to be outdoors, but only when storing things that can
> get a little wet. They aren't waterproof, and they aren't intended to be
> (which is one reason you ship items in them palletized).
> Unfortunately most of the costs they have shown are for the containers
> alone. For instance, Space Lab calls out a cost of $10k for 4 containers.
> While that is about the cost of 4 8x8x20 Conex boxes in moderate condition,
> it doesn't include the cost of moving them around, preparing them to be used
> as a space, outfitting them with commercial style doors, adding lighting,
> power and fire protection, etc. And since it is commercial construction, you
> can't DIY it like you would at home - licensed contractors have to do all
> that work. And don't get me started on excise taxes for creating new
> occupy-able square footage in NYC.
> Storage containers can make an interesting start to commercial building, but
> need a LOT of work to get past even a very friendly building department and
> fire marshal. They will need to be working with PEs and licensed Architects
> just to get to square one. I'd also recommend talking in DETAIL to people
> who've had major run-ins with building departments, such as NIMBY.
> Sounds like too big of a bite to chew - can't bring myself to contribute.
> I'd love to see them start with a 4 container expansion to an existing
> building, done cleanly, permitted properly. Or maybe even a 1 container
> project to make a "movable hackerspace" that could be transported and
> dropped off anywhere. You'd avoid the enormous building department issues
> since it wouldn't be a permanent structure, and could be a good way to get
> used to some of the issues that would be faced with a larger site while
> still resulting in a cool, usable thing.
> -Sam
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Ron Bean <makerspace at rbean.users.panix.com>
> wrote:
>> Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> writes:
>> >Containers are intended to be used INDOORS.
>> Wait, what?
>> I thought they were intended to he hauled around on trucks, trains, and
>> cargo ships.
>> >They need to be covered and raised off the
>> >ground.
>> I'd agree with that part.
>> The project page looks like a bunch of different projects that should be
>> pursued separately. I don't see the point of making it one huge project.
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