[hackerspaces] PROJECT: HackerHostel.com

Fri Sep 2 23:08:12 CEST 2011

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Agent 5 <ag3nt5 at dc401.org> wrote:
> Robin,
> These are great structural examples, thank you. I'm glad to see they're
> being successfully driven. There's quite a lot of useful data here. I
> especially like http://crabgrass.riseuplabs.org/

Yes. Me too and I think it only needs some tweaks to make it work for
your purpose. And I think it would be great to work on this (though I
dislike the domain-name.com)

I am sure there are some people here on this list involved with its
development. Lorea I know for sure, you can check some stuff in
operation here: https://n-1.cc:443/

What these tools need to work in terms of hospitality is a
verification feature and something like a special
hospitality-mail-system, and ideally also something like public
comments, and I don't think all of that needs a lot of work.

This could also be an app that pulls your bewelcome data by the way
(which is GPL) and integrates it with those networks, and vica versa.

Though, what you're then really talking about is already something
that has a much wider scope...

>   What were the biggest challenges you had while running or starting a
> "shared-hospitality" house? Did you achieve a balance of security for both
> parties?

Tons of challenges. The first thing we did was establishing a culture
of getting rid of the boundaries between hosts and guests. In other
words, how quickly can a guest turn into a host?

Because you really want things to be self-managed, and to be less of a
burden to the main-host. It is like running any space really, how
quickly can you manage to make a newbie find their way?

One of the keys is that the house has an intimate sphere to it, and we
keep it more like a family of friends. People appreciate that and
integrate into it rather quickly.

We also keep a low-profile and most people come through word-of-mouth
and thus through friends. They are then told about the website: they
create a profile and fill the weirdest form they ever saw, by which we
can kind of tell what person we're dealing with.

We also ask them for their hospitality-network profile (whichever
service they use but we prefer for obvious reasons bewelcome.org) or
other public presence, which only some people don't have.

Overall though, I am a big hospitality-fan and think all spaces should
have space available for the ones that pass by. You could also firstly
focus on that: a module for each space to use instead of a whole new
social network.

Robin.

> -Dave Johnson
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:23 PM, robin <robokow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Ideally you wanna create different profiles for people and places.
>> People can then be affiliated with the place (+state they have hosting
>> capacity at home and which groups they've been with).
>>
>> Verification could go p2p, similar to how Bewelcome implemented it
>> +with comments possibly. But trust-networks yes. Check also
>> http://www.bewelcome.org/faq#question1
>>
>> What you're looking at is one of the things we thought of in relation
>> to http://nomadbase.org a while ago already. We done quite some
>> brainstorming on this idea, as well as a conference.
>>
>> For now in my opinion I think the easy way forward for collectives is
>> to have this feature integrated in bewelcome (which is to be ported to
>> drupal soon, same platform as warmshowers). Though I can also see how
>> this could be integrated within lorea for example, or with crabgrass,
>> with a hospitality-feature. Or in the future fully
>> federated/distributed.
>>
>> On the other hand, a hacker-specific hospitality-network could be cool
>> too. I would actually propose to do it totally offline and just with
>> pen and paper, ha!
>>
>> Myself I am not involved with any hackerspace (yet), but facilitate a
>> "shared-hospitality" house for +3 years now and would be happy to
>> share more thoughts/ ideas.
>>
>> Also check http://couchwiki.org
>>
>> Robin(o).
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Agent 5 <ag3nt5 at dc401.org> wrote:
>> > That warmshowers.org site is pretty neat structurally speaking.
>> >
>> > Trust is a HUGE part of this. But I think if we are going to get to the
>> > next
>> > logical stage of this Hackerspace journey we must try. I'm willing to
>> > take
>> > the risk for the cause. I realize there will always be bad apples around
>> > but
>> > that can be lessened if we all agree on a way to handle it properly.
>> > There are so many options for this too and I wouldn't being to pretend
>> > to
>> > know what the Hackerspace community will want.
>> > Passport? written voucher? peer review? holding onto a valid credit
>> > card?
>> > signing a waiver and agreement to repair/replace broken items? We have
>> > some
>> > of the most intelligent and creative folk on Earth in our community. I
>> > am
>> > fully confident we'll find the solution that works.
>> > My current opinion is a combination of peer review/personal voucher (I
>> > really like the stamped Passports) from a Hackerspace in reference to
>> > someones character. In addition, I'd add a simple form thats says
>> > something
>> > to the effect of "if you break, it you buy it". But again it's not up to
>> > me.
>> > thats just one vote.
>> > What do you believe Thinkhaus would feel comfortable with, James? (just
>> > brainstorming)
>> > -Dave Johnson
>> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM, James Arlen <myrcurial at thinkhaus.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Have a look at how it's handled amongst another itinerant group of
>> >> techno-fetishists… bike touring folks have a site called "Warm Showers"
>> >> (http://www.warmshowers.org/) which has approximately 10,000 places to
>> >> get a
>> >> shower, refuel and sleep. This is a peer-to-peer thing much as you've
>> >> described and varies from "you can sleep in my back yard, here's the
>> >> hose if
>> >> you need water" to "welcome to our guest room, stay as long as you
>> >> need".
>> >> I imagine that the most important thing for success here is going to be
>> >> the Whuffies. If someone I trust is willing to vouch that you're not a
>> >> douchebag, I'd be much more ok with leaving you to hang in our
>> >> hackerspace.
>> >> For example, if you told me that you were backing another DC401 member
>> >> and
>> >> saying it was ok to host them at thinkhaus, I'd be fine with it… and
>> >> contrarily, I'm not sure what it would take for me to close my eyes
>> >> when
>> >> openfly is around. :)
>> >> Is it time to consider the addition of "letters patent" / "warrant" /
>> >> "writ" or something… which ties a specific hackerspace passport to a
>> >> specific hackerspace and/or chain of trust?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 2011-09-02, at 8:52 AM, Agent 5 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Good idea! Hadn't thought of that. And thats an opportunity for us to
>> >> bring more profiles onto the site even if they don't normally allow
>> >> people
>> >> to stay there very often. That would give us more ability to promote
>> >> individual Hackerspaces in general.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -Dave
>> >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:19 PM, ITechGeek <itg at itechgeek.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I think the system should also be able to allow for hackerspaces that
>> >>> don't normally allow for sleeping, but due to something special going
>> >>> on at the space or in town has opened it's doors to people sleeping
>> >>> there (As has been the case w/ HacDC on a few occasions).
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Daniel Packer <dp at danielpacker.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > +1 for off-site lodging at fellow hacker's houses
>> >>> >
>> >>> > -Daniel
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Agent 5 <ag3nt5 at dc401.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> Ed,
>> >>> >> Excellent recommendation, I agree.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Something in the Hackerspace profile to the effect of selecting
>> >>> >> "On-site /
>> >>> >> Off-site Accommodations" you think?
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