[hackerspaces] hacker passport, international hacker memberiship, resources sharing

Frantisek Apfelbeck algoldor at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 14 05:39:03 CEST 2011

From: Jerry Isdale <isdale at gmail.com>
To: Hackerspaces General Discussion List <discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org>
Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 7:20:23 AM
Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] hacker passport, international hacker memberiship, 
resources sharing

A Hackerspace passport is an interesting concept.  I am open to having visitors 
to our space and recognizing their membership in some other hackerspace/fablab. 
However, there area several issues

1) trust/verify the membership (addressed in other replies) - how do you know 
they are really a member of some other 'real' space (which opens the question 
"what is a real space?")

>> There can be recommendations attached to the person from "well know hackers", 
>>couch surfing has also interesting way of recognising "secure" people. I think 
>>that verification should not be an issue in general.

2) time = money limits - for a short visit (few days) perhaps free recognition 
is ok, but if you are staying for an extended period (2wks to months) then a 
visitor really should pay the host space a (visiting) member fee.  The host does 
still have to pay the rent and replenish supplies the visitor uses.

>> I think that if you stay for longer (several weeks) you should contribute 
>>financially to the place as the other members do, if not agreed otherwise.

3) member benefits - voting rights, N hours free access to equipment, X amt of 
supplies, % discount on classes, etc.  How much of these would you give to 
someone who is just passing through? Are they the tie-breaker vote on some 
contentious issue being voted on? Do they get essentially free access to that 
laser cutter that all other members are contributing some portion of their dues 
to use?

>> That is an interesting point. I would say that it should be decided by the 
>>hacker spaces which is hosting the hacker what type of "membership" status 
>>he/she will get. I would rather support the idea of a person visiting, sharing 
>>and trying to help/improve the hacker community live, however not knowing the 
>>continuity of the given hacker space history should be considered as an 
>>important part, it takes time to get tuned to the community.   

Some spaces in high visitor traffic cities (NYC, SF, London, etc) might get a 
LOT more visitors than spaces in less traveled locations (Helena MT - which I'd 
actually like to see someday).  The high traffic spaces would bear a larger 
burden, even from 1-day visitors.  If 20 people/mo visit your space and using 
hacker-pass get to take a free class, you might not make rent that month.

>> I think that more visitors better, it would financially help I think rather 
>>than harm.

This gets real complicated quickly. 
I'm going back to the beach to think about it (or nothing).

Jerry Isdale
>> Enjoy the beach, I may to the same in few hours :-))

On Jun 12, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:

From: aestetix aestetix <aestetix at gmail.com>
>To: Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>
>Cc: Noisebridge <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>Sent: Sun, June 12, 2011 10:36:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] I'm switching for hiatus status
>>> This actually makes me ask whether we could consolidate a "hackerspaces 
>>>membership" where someone could pay a set fee and be 
>>> considered a member of several different hackerspaces. That way if you travel 
>>>to Seattle, Chicago, NYC, etc, you'd already have a group >> of friends and be 
>>>trusted to member-level use of resources.
>>> Has this been considered at all? I know we were playing with the idea of a 
>>>"passport" a while back.
>Hi Aestetix & all,
>I've been asking in various hackerspaces about the membership/resources and it 
>looks like that if the hackerspaces which you are visiting and where are you 
>from are connected, the situation is quite easy to sort out in a positive way, 
>generally paying in one of them and it is fine.
>However I've to say that from my point of view the most easy way would be pay in 
>your home hacker center and temporarily in the other one which you are visiting. 
>Bit more expensive but most simple. Option number two would be to create some 
>group of hacker spaces which would recognise each other so also the status of 
>the members etc. However what about resources/money. If I'm now at 091 labs as a 
>member of Noisebridge, to whom shall I pay, how much and who is going to keep 
>the resources. The arguments may vary from point of view that you are using 
>resources in a place so you should support it. Or other point of view is that 
>you were using resources in another place before, these help you to create 
>something which you are applying/teaching in the "new" space so again, who gets 
>the resources the helpers at the beginning? Maybe Mitch could you comment? Is 
>your project about the passports about this too, is it going to be revealed 
>soon? :-)))
>It may sounds materialistic but I'm learning more and more that strong/good 
>financial base/habits are very important for creation, running and finishing the 
>projects. I've plenty to learn, but I'm trying.
>Anyway I would love to hear your feedback and I'm posting this also to 
>the hackerspace.org
>Which remind me that I'm around four days behind paying my membership at 091 
>labs .... 

>On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Frantisek 
Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hi to All!
>>I want to announce that I'm on hiatus status for now and I've been for several
>>months, sorry for not announcing publicly before (Kelly was informed, with 
>>...) .
>>The reason for that is my financial situation which is improving but it is 
>>not good enough to support multiple memberships. I'm trying to apply the 
>>of becoming a member and paying member fees at hacker spaces where I'm active
>>(091 labs right now). As soon as I've sufficient funding, I'd like to pay at
>>least my starving hacker fees at Noisebridge + the fees of the place where I'm
>>temporarily active. This may take me several months, hopefully not more than
>>So best of luck with funding, once I can afford it, I'll join the "in good
>>standing" club :-))
>>Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
>>Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>Discuss mailing list
>Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org
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