<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br></div><div style="font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Jerry Isdale <isdale@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Hackerspaces General Discussion List <discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Mon, June 13, 2011 7:20:23 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [hackerspaces] hacker passport, international hacker memberiship, resources sharing<br></font><br>
<base>A Hackerspace passport is an interesting concept. I am open to having visitors to our space and recognizing their membership in some other hackerspace/fablab. However, there area several issues<div><br></div><div>1) trust/verify the membership (addressed in other replies) - how do you know they are really a member of some other 'real' space (which opens the question "what is a real space?")<br><div><br>>> There can be recommendations attached to the person from "well know hackers", couch surfing has also interesting way of recognising "secure" people. I think that verification should not be an issue in general.<br><br>2) time = money limits - for a short visit (few days) perhaps free recognition is ok, but if you are staying for an extended period (2wks to months) then a visitor really should pay the host space a (visiting) member fee. The host does still have to pay the rent and replenish supplies the visitor
uses.<br><br>>> I think that if you stay for longer (several weeks) you should contribute financially to the place as the other members do, if not agreed otherwise.<br><br></div><div>3) member benefits - voting rights, N hours free access to equipment, X amt of supplies, % discount on classes, etc. How much of these would you give to someone who is just passing through? Are they the tie-breaker vote on some contentious issue being voted on? Do they get essentially free access to that laser cutter that all other members are contributing some portion of their dues to use?</div><div><br>>> That is an interesting point. I would say that it should be decided by the hacker spaces which is hosting the hacker what type of "membership" status he/she will get. I would rather support the idea of a person visiting, sharing and trying to help/improve the hacker community live, however not knowing the continuity of the given hacker space history
should be considered as an important part, it takes time to get tuned to the community. <br><br><br></div><div><div><div>Some spaces in high visitor traffic cities (NYC, SF, London, etc) might get a LOT more visitors than spaces in less traveled locations (Helena MT - which I'd actually like to see someday). The high traffic spaces would bear a larger burden, even from 1-day visitors. If 20 people/mo visit your space and using hacker-pass get to take a free class, you might not make rent that month.</div><div><br>>> I think that more visitors better, it would financially help I think rather than harm.<br><br></div><div>This gets real complicated quickly. </div><div>I'm going back to the beach to think about it (or nothing).</div><div><br><div>
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<br>>> Enjoy the beach, I may to the same in few hours :-))<br><br><div><div>On Jun 12, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium;"><div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font-family:times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>aestetix aestetix <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:aestetix@gmail.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:aestetix@gmail.com">aestetix@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Frantisek Apfelbeck <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Noisebridge <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sun, June 12, 2011 10:36:38 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] I'm switching for hiatus status<br></font><br>>> This actually
makes me ask whether we could consolidate a "hackerspaces membership" where someone could pay a set fee and be<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> considered a member of several different hackerspaces. That way if you travel to Seattle, Chicago, NYC, etc, you'd already have a group >> of friends and be trusted to member-level use of resources.<div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;">>> Has this been considered at all? I know we were playing with the idea of a "passport" a while back.</div><br><br><br>Hi Aestetix & all,<br>I've been asking in various hackerspaces about the membership/resources and it looks like that if the hackerspaces which you are visiting and where are you from are connected, the situation is quite easy to sort out in a positive way, generally paying in one of them
and it is fine.<br><br>However I've to say that from my point of view the most easy way would be pay in your home hacker center and temporarily in the other one which you are visiting. Bit more expensive but most simple. Option number two would be to create some group of hacker spaces which would recognise each other so also the status of the members etc. However what about resources/money. If I'm now at 091 labs as a member of Noisebridge, to whom shall I pay, how much and who is going to keep the resources. The arguments may vary from point of view that you are using resources in a place so you should support it. Or other point of view is that you were using resources in another place before, these help you to create something which you are applying/teaching in the "new" space so again, who gets the resources the helpers at the beginning? Maybe Mitch could you comment? Is your project about the passports about this too, is it going to be revealed
soon? :-)))<br><br>It may sounds materialistic but I'm learning more and more that strong/good financial base/habits are very important for creation, running and finishing the projects. I've plenty to learn, but I'm trying.<br><br>Anyway I would love to hear your feedback and I'm posting this also to the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://hackerspace.org">hackerspace.org</a><br><br>Which remind me that I'm around four days behind paying my membership at 091 labs ....<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Sincerely,<br><br>Frantisek<br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font-family:times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><br><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font-family:times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span
style="font-weight:bold;"></span></b></font><br><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br><div class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;">On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi to All!<br>I want to announce that I'm on hiatus status for now and I've been for several<br>months, sorry for not announcing publicly before (Kelly was informed, with delay<br>...) .<br><br><br>The reason
for that is my financial situation which is improving but it is still<br>not good enough to support multiple memberships. I'm trying to apply the system<br>of becoming a member and paying member fees at hacker spaces where I'm active<br>(091 labs right now). As soon as I've sufficient funding, I'd like to pay at<br>least my starving hacker fees at Noisebridge + the fees of the place where I'm<br>temporarily active. This may take me several months, hopefully not more than<br>year.<br><br>So best of luck with funding, once I can afford it, I'll join the "in good<br>standing" club :-))<br><br>Sincerely,<br><br>Frantisek<br>_______________________________________________<br>Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<br><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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