[hackerspaces] hacker passport, international hacker memberiship, resources sharing
Rhys Rhaven
rhys at rhavenindustrys.com
Mon Jun 13 07:25:50 CEST 2011
I know infosec-geeks love to condense it down into infosec-geek terms,
but people are not a "trust relationship model." Listen to Nicole,
informal is better. People have these weird relationships with other
people for a million reasons, and plugging in a usb drive or generating
a QR code to have a GPG challenge verifification proceedure is not one
of those.
We worked on this for OpenDoor, to make universal hackerspace identifier
keys. Its a nightmare. Security geek thinks nah, I'm a rockstar! Then go
ahead. Sit down and draw out the trust model between spaces, members at
spaces, directors at spaces, the people controlling the system. The
privacy hippies will be up in arms against anything secure and the money
types and crypto geeks will be for the most advanced thing possible, the
electronics guys will want it to be an arduino and won't get why RFID is
a problem. *twitch*
As four resource sharing, there is a fellow who was going to look at
some of the homebrew inventory systems we all have to make a Ravelry for
hackerspaces. He was from Sector67 and is now at Workshop88. Name
escapes me. But yeah, a DB site where we could upload our parts,
tag/number them and be able to ship them around to each other.
Rhys
On 06/12/2011 07:31 PM, Matt Joyce wrote:
> Though what we're talking about here on the informal layer is
> basically a sort of web of trust ... trust relationship model.
>
> If someone designed a device for storing / signing / interfacing gpg
> keys... that hackers could use to demonstrate who they know who trust
> them ... that could almost work better than a passport.
>
> It would also have plenty of hackable uses.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:28 PM, nicolle n. <superherogirl at gmail.com
> <mailto:superherogirl at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> i know for a fact that reciprocal membership has been explored on
> a small scale, but i'm with Matt in thinking that it won't take
> formally on a large scale. spaces have different goals, different
> amounts of space, and different levels of resources, and may not
> want to (or be able to) formally allow anyone anywhere who is
> associated with a space anywhere in.
>
> that said, if you are in a city and want to visit a space, i've
> found that to be really easy on an informal basis. anytime i've
> been to a city and wanted to visit a space, i've just pinged them
> on twitter or by email, introduced myself, and expressed my
> interest. almost always, whether i knew someone there or not,
> i've been able to arrange a visit.
>
> i think the informal hacker passport works better than any formal
> one ever will.
>
> nicolle
>
> On Jun 12, 2011 7:18 PM, "Matt Joyce" <matt at nycresistor.com
> <mailto:matt at nycresistor.com>> wrote:
> > Membership is handled differently in different spaces. So there
> probably is
> > no way to exchange membership between all of them.
> >
> > You might need to just start with a couple and try to get it to
> expand. But
> > my guess is no matter what some spaces will never sign onto this.
> >
> > =/
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck
> <algoldor at yahoo.com <mailto:algoldor at yahoo.com>>wrote:
> >
> >> *From:* aestetix aestetix <aestetix at gmail.com
> <mailto:aestetix at gmail.com>>
> >> *To:* Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com
> <mailto:algoldor at yahoo.com>>
> >> *Cc:* Noisebridge <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> <mailto:noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>>
> >> *Sent:* Sun, June 12, 2011 10:36:38 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] I'm switching for hiatus
> status
> >>
> >> >> This actually makes me ask whether we could consolidate a
> "hackerspaces
> >> membership" where someone could pay a set fee and be
> >> >> considered a member of several different hackerspaces. That
> way if you
> >> travel to Seattle, Chicago, NYC, etc, you'd already have a
> group >> of
> >> friends and be trusted to member-level use of resources.
> >>
> >> >> Has this been considered at all? I know we were playing with
> the idea of
> >> a "passport" a while back.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Aestetix & all,
> >> I've been asking in various hackerspaces about the
> membership/resources and
> >> it looks like that if the hackerspaces which you are visiting
> and where are
> >> you from are connected, the situation is quite easy to sort out
> in a
> >> positive way, generally paying in one of them and it is fine.
> >>
> >> However I've to say that from my point of view the most easy
> way would be
> >> pay in your home hacker center and temporarily in the other one
> which you
> >> are visiting. Bit more expensive but most simple. Option number
> two would be
> >> to create some group of hacker spaces which would recognise
> each other so
> >> also the status of the members etc. However what about
> resources/money. If
> >> I'm now at 091 labs as a member of Noisebridge, to whom shall I
> pay, how
> >> much and who is going to keep the resources. The arguments may
> vary from
> >> point of view that you are using resources in a place so you
> should support
> >> it. Or other point of view is that you were using resources in
> another place
> >> before, these help you to create something which you are
> applying/teaching
> >> in the "new" space so again, who gets the resources the helpers
> at the
> >> beginning? Maybe Mitch could you comment? Is your project about the
> >> passports about this too, is it going to be revealed soon? :-)))
> >>
> >> It may sounds materialistic but I'm learning more and more that
> strong/good
> >> financial base/habits are very important for creation, running
> and finishing
> >> the projects. I've plenty to learn, but I'm trying.
> >>
> >> Anyway I would love to hear your feedback and I'm posting this
> also to the
> >> hackerspace.org <http://hackerspace.org>
> >>
> >> Which remind me that I'm around four days behind paying my
> membership at
> >> 091 labs ....
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Frantisek
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> **
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck
> <algoldor at yahoo.com <mailto:algoldor at yahoo.com>>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi to All!
> >>> I want to announce that I'm on hiatus status for now and I've
> been for
> >>> several
> >>> months, sorry for not announcing publicly before (Kelly was
> informed, with
> >>> delay
> >>> ...) .
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The reason for that is my financial situation which is
> improving but it is
> >>> still
> >>> not good enough to support multiple memberships. I'm trying to
> apply the
> >>> system
> >>> of becoming a member and paying member fees at hacker spaces
> where I'm
> >>> active
> >>> (091 labs right now). As soon as I've sufficient funding, I'd
> like to pay
> >>> at
> >>> least my starving hacker fees at Noisebridge + the fees of the
> place where
> >>> I'm
> >>> temporarily active. This may take me several months, hopefully
> not more
> >>> than
> >>> year.
> >>>
> >>> So best of luck with funding, once I can afford it, I'll join
> the "in good
> >>> standing" club :-))
> >>>
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>>
> >>> Frantisek
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