[hackerspaces] hacker passport, international hacker memberiship, resources sharing

Sector67 Team team at sector67.org
Mon Jun 13 08:22:26 CEST 2011 

Branden Gunn (engunneer at engunneer.com) is working on creating
http://makerbits.net/

As long as I'm replying. . .

There's some folks in Madison creating a co-working space, they're charging
$30/mo for 9-5pm access, so we're creating a $30/mo social membership tier
at the hackerspace with the same privileges - we'll end up figuring out a
clever way to split revenue on it (the good news is the co-working folks
aren't as concerned about revenue as the space is dove-tailed into another
funded startup).  The most likely thing will be an online punch card system,
where you check in at either space and at the end of the month you tally how
many times someone was at either location and split revenue on the ratio of
time.  This would be functional at a high level across a number of
hackerspaces, but I think the way spaces handle consumables is often bundled
into membership costs - it probably wouldn't work satisfactorily.


Chris

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:25 AM, Rhys Rhaven <rhys at rhavenindustrys.com>wrote:

>  I know infosec-geeks love to condense it down into infosec-geek terms, but
> people are not a "trust relationship model." Listen to Nicole, informal is
> better. People have these weird relationships with other people for a
> million reasons, and plugging in a usb drive or generating a QR code to have
> a GPG challenge verifification proceedure is not one of those.
>
> We worked on this for OpenDoor, to make universal hackerspace identifier
> keys. Its a nightmare. Security geek thinks nah, I'm a rockstar! Then go
> ahead. Sit down and draw out the trust model between spaces, members at
> spaces, directors at spaces, the people controlling the system. The privacy
> hippies will be up in arms against anything secure and the money types and
> crypto geeks will be for the most advanced thing possible, the electronics
> guys will want it to be an arduino and won't get why RFID is a problem.
> *twitch*
>
> As four resource sharing, there is a fellow who was going to look at some
> of the homebrew inventory systems we all have to make a Ravelry for
> hackerspaces. He was from Sector67 and is now at Workshop88. Name escapes
> me. But yeah, a DB site where we could upload our parts, tag/number them and
> be able to ship them around to each other.
>
> Rhys
>
>
> On 06/12/2011 07:31 PM, Matt Joyce wrote:
>
> Though what we're talking about here on the informal layer is basically a
> sort of web of trust ... trust relationship model.
>
> If someone designed a device for storing / signing / interfacing gpg
> keys... that hackers could use to demonstrate who they know who trust them
> ...  that could almost work better than a passport.
>
> It would also have plenty of hackable uses.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:28 PM, nicolle n. <superherogirl at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> i know for a fact that reciprocal membership has been explored on a small
>> scale, but i'm with Matt in thinking that it won't take formally on a large
>> scale.  spaces have different goals, different amounts of space, and
>> different levels of resources, and may not want to (or be able to) formally
>> allow anyone anywhere who is associated with a space anywhere in.
>>
>> that said, if you are in a city and want to visit a space, i've found that
>> to be really easy on an informal basis.  anytime i've been to a city and
>> wanted to visit a space, i've just pinged them on twitter or by email,
>> introduced myself, and expressed my interest.  almost always, whether i knew
>> someone there or not, i've been able to arrange a visit.
>>
>> i think the informal hacker passport works better than any formal one ever
>> will.
>>
>> nicolle
>>  On Jun 12, 2011 7:18 PM, "Matt Joyce" <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
>> > Membership is handled differently in different spaces. So there probably
>> is
>> > no way to exchange membership between all of them.
>> >
>> > You might need to just start with a couple and try to get it to expand.
>> But
>> > my guess is no matter what some spaces will never sign onto this.
>> >
>> > =/
>> >
>> > -Matt
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <
>> algoldor at yahoo.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> *From:* aestetix aestetix <aestetix at gmail.com>
>> >> *To:* Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>
>> >> *Cc:* Noisebridge <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>> >> *Sent:* Sun, June 12, 2011 10:36:38 PM
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] I'm switching for hiatus status
>> >>
>> >> >> This actually makes me ask whether we could consolidate a
>> "hackerspaces
>> >> membership" where someone could pay a set fee and be
>> >> >> considered a member of several different hackerspaces. That way if
>> you
>> >> travel to Seattle, Chicago, NYC, etc, you'd already have a group >> of
>> >> friends and be trusted to member-level use of resources.
>> >>
>> >> >> Has this been considered at all? I know we were playing with the
>> idea of
>> >> a "passport" a while back.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Aestetix & all,
>> >> I've been asking in various hackerspaces about the membership/resources
>> and
>> >> it looks like that if the hackerspaces which you are visiting and where
>> are
>> >> you from are connected, the situation is quite easy to sort out in a
>> >> positive way, generally paying in one of them and it is fine.
>> >>
>> >> However I've to say that from my point of view the most easy way would
>> be
>> >> pay in your home hacker center and temporarily in the other one which
>> you
>> >> are visiting. Bit more expensive but most simple. Option number two
>> would be
>> >> to create some group of hacker spaces which would recognise each other
>> so
>> >> also the status of the members etc. However what about resources/money.
>> If
>> >> I'm now at 091 labs as a member of Noisebridge, to whom shall I pay,
>> how
>> >> much and who is going to keep the resources. The arguments may vary
>> from
>> >> point of view that you are using resources in a place so you should
>> support
>> >> it. Or other point of view is that you were using resources in another
>> place
>> >> before, these help you to create something which you are
>> applying/teaching
>> >> in the "new" space so again, who gets the resources the helpers at the
>> >> beginning? Maybe Mitch could you comment? Is your project about the
>> >> passports about this too, is it going to be revealed soon? :-)))
>> >>
>> >> It may sounds materialistic but I'm learning more and more that
>> strong/good
>> >> financial base/habits are very important for creation, running and
>> finishing
>> >> the projects. I've plenty to learn, but I'm trying.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway I would love to hear your feedback and I'm posting this also to
>> the
>> >> hackerspace.org
>> >>
>> >> Which remind me that I'm around four days behind paying my membership
>> at
>> >> 091 labs ....
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >>
>> >> Frantisek
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >> **
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <
>> algoldor at yahoo.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi to All!
>> >>> I want to announce that I'm on hiatus status for now and I've been for
>> >>> several
>> >>> months, sorry for not announcing publicly before (Kelly was informed,
>> with
>> >>> delay
>> >>> ...) .
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> The reason for that is my financial situation which is improving but
>> it is
>> >>> still
>> >>> not good enough to support multiple memberships. I'm trying to apply
>> the
>> >>> system
>> >>> of becoming a member and paying member fees at hacker spaces where I'm
>> >>> active
>> >>> (091 labs right now). As soon as I've sufficient funding, I'd like to
>> pay
>> >>> at
>> >>> least my starving hacker fees at Noisebridge + the fees of the place
>> where
>> >>> I'm
>> >>> temporarily active. This may take me several months, hopefully not
>> more
>> >>> than
>> >>> year.
>> >>>
>> >>> So best of luck with funding, once I can afford it, I'll join the "in
>> good
>> >>> standing" club :-))
>> >>>
>> >>> Sincerely,
>> >>>
>> >>> Frantisek
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