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I know infosec-geeks love to condense it down into infosec-geek
terms, but people are not a "trust relationship model." Listen to
Nicole, informal is better. People have these weird relationships
with other people for a million reasons, and plugging in a usb drive
or generating a QR code to have a GPG challenge verifification
proceedure is not one of those. <br>
<br>
We worked on this for OpenDoor, to make universal hackerspace
identifier keys. Its a nightmare. Security geek thinks nah, I'm a
rockstar! Then go ahead. Sit down and draw out the trust model
between spaces, members at spaces, directors at spaces, the people
controlling the system. The privacy hippies will be up in arms
against anything secure and the money types and crypto geeks will be
for the most advanced thing possible, the electronics guys will want
it to be an arduino and won't get why RFID is a problem. *twitch*<br>
<br>
As four resource sharing, there is a fellow who was going to look at
some of the homebrew inventory systems we all have to make a Ravelry
for hackerspaces. He was from Sector67 and is now at Workshop88.
Name escapes me. But yeah, a DB site where we could upload our
parts, tag/number them and be able to ship them around to each
other. <br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Rhys</pre>
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On 06/12/2011 07:31 PM, Matt Joyce wrote:
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cite="mid:BANLkTiksvkR2m+sSYt6BjWxOXfm6M7b=UQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Though what we're talking about here on the informal
layer is basically a sort of web of trust ... trust relationship
model.<br>
<br>
If someone designed a device for storing / signing / interfacing
gpg keys... that hackers could use to demonstrate who they know
who trust them ... that could almost work better than a passport.<br>
<br>
It would also have plenty of hackable uses.<br>
<br>
-Matt<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:28 PM, nicolle
n. <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:superherogirl@gmail.com">superherogirl@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<p>i know for a fact that reciprocal membership has been
explored on a small scale, but i'm with Matt in thinking
that it won't take formally on a large scale. spaces have
different goals, different amounts of space, and different
levels of resources, and may not want to (or be able to)
formally allow anyone anywhere who is associated with a
space anywhere in.</p>
<p>that said, if you are in a city and want to visit a space,
i've found that to be really easy on an informal basis.
anytime i've been to a city and wanted to visit a space,
i've just pinged them on twitter or by email, introduced
myself, and expressed my interest. almost always, whether i
knew someone there or not, i've been able to arrange a
visit.</p>
<p>i think the informal hacker passport works better than any
formal one ever will.</p>
<p>nicolle</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 12, 2011 7:18 PM, "Matt
Joyce" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
> Membership is handled differently in different
spaces. So there probably is<br>
> no way to exchange membership between all of them.<br>
> <br>
> You might need to just start with a couple and try
to get it to expand. But<br>
> my guess is no matter what some spaces will never
sign onto this.<br>
> <br>
> =/<br>
> <br>
> -Matt<br>
> <br>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Frantisek
Apfelbeck <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" target="_blank">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>>wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> *From:* aestetix aestetix <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:aestetix@gmail.com" target="_blank">aestetix@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> *To:* Frantisek Apfelbeck <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" target="_blank">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>><br>
>> *Cc:* Noisebridge <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>
>> *Sent:* Sun, June 12, 2011 10:36:38 PM<br>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] I'm
switching for hiatus status<br>
>><br>
>> >> This actually makes me ask whether we
could consolidate a "hackerspaces<br>
>> membership" where someone could pay a set fee
and be<br>
>> >> considered a member of several
different hackerspaces. That way if you<br>
>> travel to Seattle, Chicago, NYC, etc, you'd
already have a group >> of<br>
>> friends and be trusted to member-level use of
resources.<br>
>><br>
>> >> Has this been considered at all? I
know we were playing with the idea of<br>
>> a "passport" a while back.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hi Aestetix & all,<br>
>> I've been asking in various hackerspaces about
the membership/resources and<br>
>> it looks like that if the hackerspaces which
you are visiting and where are<br>
>> you from are connected, the situation is quite
easy to sort out in a<br>
>> positive way, generally paying in one of them
and it is fine.<br>
>><br>
>> However I've to say that from my point of view
the most easy way would be<br>
>> pay in your home hacker center and temporarily
in the other one which you<br>
>> are visiting. Bit more expensive but most
simple. Option number two would be<br>
>> to create some group of hacker spaces which
would recognise each other so<br>
>> also the status of the members etc. However
what about resources/money. If<br>
>> I'm now at 091 labs as a member of Noisebridge,
to whom shall I pay, how<br>
>> much and who is going to keep the resources.
The arguments may vary from<br>
>> point of view that you are using resources in a
place so you should support<br>
>> it. Or other point of view is that you were
using resources in another place<br>
>> before, these help you to create something
which you are applying/teaching<br>
>> in the "new" space so again, who gets the
resources the helpers at the<br>
>> beginning? Maybe Mitch could you comment? Is
your project about the<br>
>> passports about this too, is it going to be
revealed soon? :-)))<br>
>><br>
>> It may sounds materialistic but I'm learning
more and more that strong/good<br>
>> financial base/habits are very important for
creation, running and finishing<br>
>> the projects. I've plenty to learn, but I'm
trying.<br>
>><br>
>> Anyway I would love to hear your feedback and
I'm posting this also to the<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://hackerspace.org" target="_blank">hackerspace.org</a><br>
>><br>
>> Which remind me that I'm around four days
behind paying my membership at<br>
>> 091 labs ....<br>
>><br>
>> Sincerely,<br>
>><br>
>> Frantisek<br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> **<br>
>><br>
>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Frantisek
Apfelbeck <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" target="_blank">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>>wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Hi to All!<br>
>>> I want to announce that I'm on hiatus
status for now and I've been for<br>
>>> several<br>
>>> months, sorry for not announcing publicly
before (Kelly was informed, with<br>
>>> delay<br>
>>> ...) .<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> The reason for that is my financial
situation which is improving but it is<br>
>>> still<br>
>>> not good enough to support multiple
memberships. I'm trying to apply the<br>
>>> system<br>
>>> of becoming a member and paying member fees
at hacker spaces where I'm<br>
>>> active<br>
>>> (091 labs right now). As soon as I've
sufficient funding, I'd like to pay<br>
>>> at<br>
>>> least my starving hacker fees at
Noisebridge + the fees of the place where<br>
>>> I'm<br>
>>> temporarily active. This may take me
several months, hopefully not more<br>
>>> than<br>
>>> year.<br>
>>><br>
>>> So best of luck with funding, once I can
afford it, I'll join the "in good<br>
>>> standing" club :-))<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sincerely,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Frantisek<br>
>>>
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