[hackerspaces] are we creating a political discussion list?

Tim Saylor tim.saylor at gmail.com
Tue Dec 6 19:56:30 CET 2011


I don't think it's so tiny a minority.  I agree on all counts.


On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:51 PM, nicolle n. <superherogirl at gmail.com> wrote:

> politics disgusts me, and i don't enjoy talking about it.  i see the
> formation of an even vaguely palatable government as a totally lost cause,
> not worth my time or energy.  hacking, to me, is apolitical...i do it
> because it interests me.
> that said, i don't have a problem when discussions turn political on
> here.  i get the feeling that my exasperation-turned-apathy puts me in a
> tiny minority, and i know many do see hacking as political.  i'm not
> drowning in the volume of the list, and i can always choose to tune out on
> threads that don't interest me.
> nicolle/rogueclown
> On Dec 6, 2011 12:43 PM, "Phillip Rhodes" <motley.crue.fan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Justis Peters <justis.peters at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On the first thread where discussions of DoD and DARPA turned into
>> dozens of
>> > participants, we were told to "shut up and hack" by some folks who
>> thought
>> > it was noise. A few people suggested that we get our own list.
>> >
>> > Are we going to create that discussion list or are we going to continue
>> > turning this list into a political discussion list?
>> >
>> > I think that these discussions are highly relevant to the business of
>> > running a hackerspace, but I do not think that so strongly that I would
>> want
>> > to lose a bunch of subscribers. Conversation that is inclusive of
>> everyone
>> > is sometimes more important than conversation that is inclusive of every
>> > topic.
>> My personal opinion?  I acknowledge that not everyone is interested in
>> the political stuff and I hate the idea
>> of turning people off of the list due to the content.  But I
>> personally don't think that "political" discussion is
>> necessarily off-topic per-se.   But I'm one of those people for whom
>> hacking is fundamentally a political thing.
>> I make very little distinction between hacking and politics these days.
>> I see governments, large corporations (hi, Sony, Microsoft, etc.) and
>> other players on the world-stage as trying to
>> control access to information, and to control the flow of information,
>> as a way to perpetuate their own agenda
>> at the expense of the people.  I have a problem with that, and my
>> hacking is slowly taking on more and more
>> of a political tone, since I see things in terms of "hackers versus
>> the bad guys" with the stakes being some very
>> fundamental things - such as the right to hack your own property,
>> which you bought and paid for.
>> But, to be fair, I'm a pretty radical anarcho-capitalist /
>> crypto-anarchist and my views may not exactly be what
>> you'd call "mainstream."  <shrug />
>> Phil
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