[hackerspaces] are we creating a political discussion list?

markus järve markus.dnd at gmail.com
Tue Dec 6 19:55:04 CET 2011

Well, political things are interesting. And spark a lot of volume. I'd say
that it should stay here. Hackers may be apolitical, but hacking itself
will never be. Just like university or military is political in the one way
or the other.

Whenever I get some topic that has lot of volume and does not interest me,
I just add its subject to the filter and i never hear about it again.

Name: Cmc // Markus Järve
Web:   http://cmc.tech-thing.org/wordpress/

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 8:51 PM, nicolle n. <superherogirl at gmail.com> wrote:

> politics disgusts me, and i don't enjoy talking about it.  i see the
> formation of an even vaguely palatable government as a totally lost cause,
> not worth my time or energy.  hacking, to me, is apolitical...i do it
> because it interests me.
> that said, i don't have a problem when discussions turn political on
> here.  i get the feeling that my exasperation-turned-apathy puts me in a
> tiny minority, and i know many do see hacking as political.  i'm not
> drowning in the volume of the list, and i can always choose to tune out on
> threads that don't interest me.
> nicolle/rogueclown
> On Dec 6, 2011 12:43 PM, "Phillip Rhodes" <motley.crue.fan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Justis Peters <justis.peters at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On the first thread where discussions of DoD and DARPA turned into
>> dozens of
>> > participants, we were told to "shut up and hack" by some folks who
>> thought
>> > it was noise. A few people suggested that we get our own list.
>> >
>> > Are we going to create that discussion list or are we going to continue
>> > turning this list into a political discussion list?
>> >
>> > I think that these discussions are highly relevant to the business of
>> > running a hackerspace, but I do not think that so strongly that I would
>> want
>> > to lose a bunch of subscribers. Conversation that is inclusive of
>> everyone
>> > is sometimes more important than conversation that is inclusive of every
>> > topic.
>> My personal opinion?  I acknowledge that not everyone is interested in
>> the political stuff and I hate the idea
>> of turning people off of the list due to the content.  But I
>> personally don't think that "political" discussion is
>> necessarily off-topic per-se.   But I'm one of those people for whom
>> hacking is fundamentally a political thing.
>> I make very little distinction between hacking and politics these days.
>> I see governments, large corporations (hi, Sony, Microsoft, etc.) and
>> other players on the world-stage as trying to
>> control access to information, and to control the flow of information,
>> as a way to perpetuate their own agenda
>> at the expense of the people.  I have a problem with that, and my
>> hacking is slowly taking on more and more
>> of a political tone, since I see things in terms of "hackers versus
>> the bad guys" with the stakes being some very
>> fundamental things - such as the right to hack your own property,
>> which you bought and paid for.
>> But, to be fair, I'm a pretty radical anarcho-capitalist /
>> crypto-anarchist and my views may not exactly be what
>> you'd call "mainstream."  <shrug />
>> Phil
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