Nicolle,<div><br></div><div>I don't think it's so tiny a minority. I agree on all counts.</div><div><br></div><div>Tim<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:51 PM, nicolle n. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:superherogirl@gmail.com">superherogirl@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p>politics disgusts me, and i don't enjoy talking about it. i see the formation of an even vaguely palatable government as a totally lost cause, not worth my time or energy. hacking, to me, is apolitical...i do it because it interests me.</p>
<p>that said, i don't have a problem when discussions turn political on here. i get the feeling that my exasperation-turned-apathy puts me in a tiny minority, and i know many do see hacking as political. i'm not drowning in the volume of the list, and i can always choose to tune out on threads that don't interest me.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 6, 2011 12:43 PM, "Phillip Rhodes" <<a href="mailto:motley.crue.fan@gmail.com" target="_blank">motley.crue.fan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Justis Peters <<a href="mailto:justis.peters@gmail.com" target="_blank">justis.peters@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On the first thread where discussions of DoD and DARPA turned into dozens of<br>
> participants, we were told to "shut up and hack" by some folks who thought<br>
> it was noise. A few people suggested that we get our own list.<br>
><br>
> Are we going to create that discussion list or are we going to continue<br>
> turning this list into a political discussion list?<br>
><br>
> I think that these discussions are highly relevant to the business of<br>
> running a hackerspace, but I do not think that so strongly that I would want<br>
> to lose a bunch of subscribers. Conversation that is inclusive of everyone<br>
> is sometimes more important than conversation that is inclusive of every<br>
> topic.<br>
<br>
My personal opinion? I acknowledge that not everyone is interested in<br>
the political stuff and I hate the idea<br>
of turning people off of the list due to the content. But I<br>
personally don't think that "political" discussion is<br>
necessarily off-topic per-se. But I'm one of those people for whom<br>
hacking is fundamentally a political thing.<br>
I make very little distinction between hacking and politics these days.<br>
<br>
I see governments, large corporations (hi, Sony, Microsoft, etc.) and<br>
other players on the world-stage as trying to<br>
control access to information, and to control the flow of information,<br>
as a way to perpetuate their own agenda<br>
at the expense of the people. I have a problem with that, and my<br>
hacking is slowly taking on more and more<br>
of a political tone, since I see things in terms of "hackers versus<br>
the bad guys" with the stakes being some very<br>
fundamental things - such as the right to hack your own property,<br>
which you bought and paid for.<br>
<br>
But, to be fair, I'm a pretty radical anarcho-capitalist /<br>
crypto-anarchist and my views may not exactly be what<br>
you'd call "mainstream." <shrug /><br>
<br>
<br>
Phil<br>
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