[hackerspaces] revspace and randomdata in the news re wikileaks ddos story

[Matt Joyce]

Law is societal ethics.

If you breach law, you breach ethics as defined not by you, but the society
you are a part of.

Breaking the law is unethical.

QED

/troll

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Yves Quemener <quemener.yves at free.fr>wrote:

> Why do you equal disobedience with violence and revolt ?
>
> > Until you have rendered the application of law a functional
> > impossibility, all that you are is either a worthless protestor or a
> > criminal.
>
> That I can agree on, but in democracies, retorting to violence and
> secession is not the only mean to achieve that. Retorting to numbers is the
> other way. If millions refuse to respect a law, it is likely to change. If
> millions support one person that broke a law, it is likely to change.
>
> If we say "keeping websites like wikileaks online is worth breaking some
> bad laws" it is a political message that will have a strong impact on
> policies if millions support it.
>
> But you are right on something : I am personally too coward to go break
> laws and risk jail time. I prefer to pursue the slower but safer legal way
> of developing software that can help. However, I see no contradiction in
> supporting publicly the persons that have the guts to stand up.
>
> When a journalist or a human rights activist is arrested in an
> authoritarian country, we have no problem supporting this person even when
> it means supporting a "criminal" by local standards. Why can't we accept
> that there might be similarly bad laws progressively coming in our
> democracies and that peoplke breaking them might be ethical ?
>
> On 12/11/2010 01:13 AM, Matt Joyce wrote:
> > To the "revolutionaries" and "activists" of the world.   If you are going
> > to revolt... bloody revolt already.  Stop threatening to do it and just
> get
> > it over with already.
> >
> > Standing around with a sign, and ddosing mastercard is not a revolt.  A
> > revolt is a group of guys with assault weapons siezing territory and
> > shooting otherwise would be authority figures.  Unless you are willing to
> > go kill people, and probably yourself in the process.... by all means
> stop
> > pretending anything done is somehow analogous to revolt.
> >
> > It's not.  Until you have rendered the application of law a functional
> > impossibility, all that you are is either a worthless protestor or a
> > criminal.  That's reality.  Cold and hard.
> >
> > Sorry if you delusional belief in your revolutionary hat is challenged by
> that.
> >
> > /troll
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