[hackerspaces] revspace and randomdata in the news re wikileaks ddos story

[Matthew McCabe]

http://thoreau.eserver.org/civil1.html



On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
> Law is societal ethics.
>
> If you breach law, you breach ethics as defined not by you, but the society
> you are a part of.
>
> Breaking the law is unethical.
>
> QED
>
> /troll
>
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Yves Quemener <quemener.yves at free.fr>
> wrote:
>>
>> Why do you equal disobedience with violence and revolt ?
>>
>> > Until you have rendered the application of law a functional
>> > impossibility, all that you are is either a worthless protestor or a
>> > criminal.
>>
>> That I can agree on, but in democracies, retorting to violence and
>> secession is not the only mean to achieve that. Retorting to numbers is
>> the
>> other way. If millions refuse to respect a law, it is likely to change. If
>> millions support one person that broke a law, it is likely to change.
>>
>> If we say "keeping websites like wikileaks online is worth breaking some
>> bad laws" it is a political message that will have a strong impact on
>> policies if millions support it.
>>
>> But you are right on something : I am personally too coward to go break
>> laws and risk jail time. I prefer to pursue the slower but safer legal way
>> of developing software that can help. However, I see no contradiction in
>> supporting publicly the persons that have the guts to stand up.
>>
>> When a journalist or a human rights activist is arrested in an
>> authoritarian country, we have no problem supporting this person even when
>> it means supporting a "criminal" by local standards. Why can't we accept
>> that there might be similarly bad laws progressively coming in our
>> democracies and that peoplke breaking them might be ethical ?
>>
>> On 12/11/2010 01:13 AM, Matt Joyce wrote:
>> > To the "revolutionaries" and "activists" of the world.   If you are
>> > going
>> > to revolt... bloody revolt already.  Stop threatening to do it and just
>> > get
>> > it over with already.
>> >
>> > Standing around with a sign, and ddosing mastercard is not a revolt.  A
>> > revolt is a group of guys with assault weapons siezing territory and
>> > shooting otherwise would be authority figures.  Unless you are willing
>> > to
>> > go kill people, and probably yourself in the process.... by all means
>> > stop
>> > pretending anything done is somehow analogous to revolt.
>> >
>> > It's not.  Until you have rendered the application of law a functional
>> > impossibility, all that you are is either a worthless protestor or a
>> > criminal.  That's reality.  Cold and hard.
>> >
>> > Sorry if you delusional belief in your revolutionary hat is challenged
>> > by that.
>> >
>> > /troll
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