Law is societal ethics.<br><br>If you breach law, you breach ethics as defined not by you, but the society you are a part of.<br><br>Breaking the law is unethical.<br><br>QED<br><br>/troll<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Yves Quemener <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:quemener.yves@free.fr">quemener.yves@free.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Why do you equal disobedience with violence and revolt ?<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Until you have rendered the application of law a functional<br>
> impossibility, all that you are is either a worthless protestor or a<br>
> criminal.<br>
<br>
</div>That I can agree on, but in democracies, retorting to violence and<br>
secession is not the only mean to achieve that. Retorting to numbers is the<br>
other way. If millions refuse to respect a law, it is likely to change. If<br>
millions support one person that broke a law, it is likely to change.<br>
<br>
If we say "keeping websites like wikileaks online is worth breaking some<br>
bad laws" it is a political message that will have a strong impact on<br>
policies if millions support it.<br>
<br>
But you are right on something : I am personally too coward to go break<br>
laws and risk jail time. I prefer to pursue the slower but safer legal way<br>
of developing software that can help. However, I see no contradiction in<br>
supporting publicly the persons that have the guts to stand up.<br>
<br>
When a journalist or a human rights activist is arrested in an<br>
authoritarian country, we have no problem supporting this person even when<br>
it means supporting a "criminal" by local standards. Why can't we accept<br>
that there might be similarly bad laws progressively coming in our<br>
democracies and that peoplke breaking them might be ethical ?<br>
<div class="im"><br>
On 12/11/2010 01:13 AM, Matt Joyce wrote:<br>
> To the "revolutionaries" and "activists" of the world. If you are going<br>
> to revolt... bloody revolt already. Stop threatening to do it and just get<br>
> it over with already.<br>
><br>
> Standing around with a sign, and ddosing mastercard is not a revolt. A<br>
> revolt is a group of guys with assault weapons siezing territory and<br>
> shooting otherwise would be authority figures. Unless you are willing to<br>
> go kill people, and probably yourself in the process.... by all means stop<br>
> pretending anything done is somehow analogous to revolt.<br>
><br>
> It's not. Until you have rendered the application of law a functional<br>
> impossibility, all that you are is either a worthless protestor or a<br>
> criminal. That's reality. Cold and hard.<br>
><br>
> Sorry if you delusional belief in your revolutionary hat is challenged by that.<br>
><br>
> /troll<br>
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