[hackerspaces] status of this list

[Matt Joyce]

Please stop flame baiting.

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Hellekin O. Wolf (/tmp/lab) <
hellekin at hackerspaces.org> wrote:

> On Thu 2009-05-14 at 19:08:48 -0400, Matt Joyce wrote:
> > Simplicity is great.  I don't disagree.  And if "Be excellent to each
> other"
> > was enough I wouldn't have brought this up as an issue.  I think we need
> > something more, and the past few days are the evidence I would submit of
> > that.  This is a new list and it's important to set the proper tone early
> > on.  We don't need valuable members of the hackerspace community dropping
> > off of the list in frustration.
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> *** From what I've read so far, I see that you and another person are in
> favor of pro-active moderation, while the rest are against any form of a
> priori censorship. Either, as Paul suggested, you take responsibility for
> it, or I guess we should drop the case.
>
> We're way beyond Johannes' stimulation for political consciousness into
> active political action (either way: for or against censorship/moderation,
> i.e. "discussion" vs. "conversation"). I don't think there's more need to
> discuss the matter: you want moderation, you take care of it, otherwise,
> just skip it and we resume to something else.
>
> My €.02. General opinion being along the way of towo and webmind et al. DIY
>
> ==
> hk, ready to drop off of the list in frustration ;o)
>
> j/k
>
> > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:04 PM, webmind <webmind at puscii.nl> wrote:
> >
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> > > Not sure where exactly the best place to reply is in this thread, so I
> > > take the new base.
> > >
> > > I do not agree with the assumption that a discussion need to be a
> formal
> > > discourse. I do not think you need a formal framework for having
> > > discussions, offline or online.
> > > I certainly don't think that you need  a specific moderator on a list.
> > >
> > > If communication really is or becomes a problem, I can understand
> > > forming rules, as this can help with/against misunderstandings and
> > > communication errors. Something that is IMHO very likely to happen with
> > > such diverse groups. But I don't think we need any kind of central
> > > moderation for this.
> > >
> > > And by rules I indeed think more about preventing aggression in
> > > communication (from plain flaming to ridiculing), I think that is
> pretty
> > > much in line with the examples that Matt gave (excuse me if I'm wrong).
> > > But if someone doesn't or just can't follow the rules, I think you're
> or
> > > we should be able to solve it as a group. By commenting on the issue at
> > > hand if required. Yes, this has the risk of turning in a huge thread
> > > discussing how's and why's but anyone is completely free to ignore
> those
> > > threads. I do think they are useful, and we have a public archive to
> > > point to if it gets repetitive.
> > >
> > > Long mail short:
> > > I do think this is a discussion list, just maybe not everyone's type of
> > > 'discussion.
> > > I do not oppose rules, but I am against central moderation/control.
> > > I think non-aggressive and open-minded communication is non-trivial
> > > I think people are quite capable to decide what they want to
> read/follow
> > > or not.
> > >
> > > Oh, and I don't think we should make any set of rules to complex, I
> like
> > > simplicity.
> > >
> > > my 2cts.
> > >
> > > webmind.
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