[hackerspaces] status of this list

[Hellekin O. Wolf (/tmp/lab)]

On Thu 2009-05-14 at 19:08:48 -0400, Matt Joyce wrote:
> Simplicity is great.  I don't disagree.  And if "Be excellent to each other"
> was enough I wouldn't have brought this up as an issue.  I think we need
> something more, and the past few days are the evidence I would submit of
> that.  This is a new list and it's important to set the proper tone early
> on.  We don't need valuable members of the hackerspace community dropping
> off of the list in frustration.
> 
> -Matt
>
*** From what I've read so far, I see that you and another person are in
favor of pro-active moderation, while the rest are against any form of a
priori censorship. Either, as Paul suggested, you take responsibility for
it, or I guess we should drop the case. 

We're way beyond Johannes' stimulation for political consciousness into
active political action (either way: for or against censorship/moderation,
i.e. "discussion" vs. "conversation"). I don't think there's more need to
discuss the matter: you want moderation, you take care of it, otherwise,
just skip it and we resume to something else.

My €.02. General opinion being along the way of towo and webmind et al. DIY

==
hk, ready to drop off of the list in frustration ;o) 

j/k

> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:04 PM, webmind <webmind at puscii.nl> wrote:
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> > Not sure where exactly the best place to reply is in this thread, so I
> > take the new base.
> >
> > I do not agree with the assumption that a discussion need to be a formal
> > discourse. I do not think you need a formal framework for having
> > discussions, offline or online.
> > I certainly don't think that you need  a specific moderator on a list.
> >
> > If communication really is or becomes a problem, I can understand
> > forming rules, as this can help with/against misunderstandings and
> > communication errors. Something that is IMHO very likely to happen with
> > such diverse groups. But I don't think we need any kind of central
> > moderation for this.
> >
> > And by rules I indeed think more about preventing aggression in
> > communication (from plain flaming to ridiculing), I think that is pretty
> > much in line with the examples that Matt gave (excuse me if I'm wrong).
> > But if someone doesn't or just can't follow the rules, I think you're or
> > we should be able to solve it as a group. By commenting on the issue at
> > hand if required. Yes, this has the risk of turning in a huge thread
> > discussing how's and why's but anyone is completely free to ignore those
> > threads. I do think they are useful, and we have a public archive to
> > point to if it gets repetitive.
> >
> > Long mail short:
> > I do think this is a discussion list, just maybe not everyone's type of
> > 'discussion.
> > I do not oppose rules, but I am against central moderation/control.
> > I think non-aggressive and open-minded communication is non-trivial
> > I think people are quite capable to decide what they want to read/follow
> > or not.
> >
> > Oh, and I don't think we should make any set of rules to complex, I like
> > simplicity.
> >
> > my 2cts.
> >
> > webmind.
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