[hackerspaces] status of this list

[Paul Böhm]

hmm.. i just mentally killfiled this thread

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM,  <druid at stonedcoder.org> wrote:
> You don't know you want to ignore them until after you've read the content
>
> kill files are fine and all, but it doesn't solve the core issue, people
> spewing BS and not getting corrected politely except through people
> responding in kind
>
> scenario:
>
> hackerY is 16, and has spent the last 4 years learning to converse on IRC
>
> he chose channels where lol dongs was considered a witty comment on life
>
> hackerY is highly intelligent, and has a lot to contribute to listX
>
> upon joining listX, he responds as he has always responded, intelligently
> but with lots of very inflamatory language hiding the nuggets of knowledge
>
> individuals respond by either:
>
> 1) adding to kill file
> 2) mentally filing under "troll"
> 3) responding in kind
>
> none of these serve to educate hackerY on what is wrong with his
> interpersonal interaction techniques, and minimzes the contrinution he can
> make, as he is ignored by many who may be the best suited to respond to
> his thoughts
>
> now if the GROUP responds formally, saying "you are an instigator, based
> on this this and this", hackerY will not assume as he has in the past that
> the person criticizing him is just responding in kind, because the
> language will indicate the criticism has been well thought out.
>
> After being removed from said list with a detailed list of their mistakes,
> hopefully the individual will grow from their experience.
>
> When a small child is acting up, you ignore it so that the child does not
> receive the reward of your attention.
>
> When an older child acts up, they must be punished, and it must be made
> clear "you are not being punished out of spite, but out of a desire for
> you to correct your behaviour, and act within social norms proscribed to
> by the majority"
>
> When an adult violates social norms, the severity of the infraction,
> damage done, etc... must be analyzed, and an appropriate reaction made
>
> The goal with any self correction of a group is two fold:
>
> 1) assist the individual causing the issue in finding new ways of
> expressing themselves that do not cause damage
>
> 2) identify why the individuals actions are considered damaging, and
> either change the group mindset to allow said action, or formalize the
> group response temporarily to determine efficity of said response in light
> of the groups goals
>
> So, a couple direct action items emerge:
>
> 1) define goals (I suggest assisting hackerspaces in flourishing, and
> advancing the hacker ethic of free access to information for all)
> 2) define potentially damaging actions (name calling, self agrandizement,
> hijacking the concept of hacker spaces for personal gain)
> 3) define responses to damaging actions (see below)
>
> there are a lot of assumptions here, and I expect someone else to pick
> this up and flesh it out to a new degree of polish.
>
> http://media.koeln.ccc.de/browse/congress/2004/133_How_to_Herd_Cats.html
>
> That's my presentation in 2004 on this exact topic, I honestly never
> expected to find a place to apply it so directly...
>
> and yes, I was totally high when I gave that talk ;)
>
> -Eric
>
> On Thu, 14 May 2009, Eric Michaud wrote:
>
>> Towo that comes down very much to human nature.
>>
>> -E.
>> ------Original Message------
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>> On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 17:03 -0400, druid at stonedcoder.org wrote:
>>> 4) the majority agree that there are sometimes threads that are for some
>>> reason worth filtering from the group discussion
>>
>> I still don't see why people can't just ignore senders or threads.
>>
>> -towo
>>
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