[hackerspaces] status of this list

[druid at stonedcoder.org]

I would like to point out here that I did try to start introducing some 
self-governance rules, which a couple people noted but were not picked up.

If this is a recurring issue, I'd be happy to brush off my preso from the 
CCC in 2004 on the topic of hacker group interaction and create a 
framework, would be fun for me but I'm not going to just sit here and spit 
it out without some encouragement/backing.

-Eric

On Thu, 14 May 2009, Matt Joyce wrote:

> It's not the topic of discussion that's a problem it's the method of
> discussion.  THUS the call for a form of moderation.  One form is to kill
> trouble topics.  I am not a fan of that approach but it is a method of
> moderation.  Another method of moderation is the enforcement of discussion
> etiquette.  Or netiquette.  Or debate / discussion rules.  Or "be excellent
> to each other" rules.
>
> We agree on a list of rulese to abide by.  Then we moderate people who
> violate the rules and admit their emails on a case by case basis until such
> time as they stop with the violation of those rules of etiquette.
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Paul Böhm <paul at boehm.org> wrote:
>
>> Ok, so what should we discuss on this list other than what has been
>> discussed?
>> Specifically?
>>
>> Also how would you moderate a list without an impartial moderator?
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Matt Joyce <mdjoyce at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Paul,
>>>
>>>    Failure to protect discussion on this list is in no way a solution to
>> the
>>> problem at hand.  You are in effect choosing to forsake discussion on the
>>> discussion list entirely in favor of something else ( Re Ad hominem
>> attacks,
>>> Fallacy, and other "Childish Bullshit").  I would like you to take your
>>> other thing elsewhere and free up the discussion list for actual
>>> discussion.  Calling this list "Discussion" in light of a complete break
>>> from the commonly held definitions of discussion is deceptive.  And
>> inviting
>>> people to hold discussions anywhere but the discussion list is absurd.
>>>
>>> Warmest regards,
>>>
>>>    Matt Joyce
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Paul Böhm <paul at boehm.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> hello from your friendly list creator,
>>>>
>>>> at the moment the meta-discussion mails about moderation/killing the
>>>> thread/etc. have exceeded the mails about the actual subject roughly
>>>> by a factor of two.
>>>>
>>>> killing off discussions you don't like solves the problem for you, but
>>>> does not help others who feel the need to discuss certain subjects.
>>>> there's a backlash because of that.
>>>> hopefully the discussion will wind down after a bit, but we still
>>>> won't all agree at that point.
>>>>
>>>> however, seeing that we're different from each other is valuable all by
>>>> itself.
>>>>
>>>> in any case, this list won't become moderated since we won't be able
>>>> to find an impartial moderator.
>>>> if you want your own list on hackerspaces.org, we'd be very happy to
>>>> create one for you.
>>>>
>>>> paul
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