[Finance] Fwd: Startup Costs

[SkyDog]

Great. Now I'm singing Johnny Mercer/Bing Crosby... "Accentuate the 
positives...Eliminate the negatives..."

Yes, I agree that we could waste a lot of time arguing the merits of the 
for-profit/non-profit deal, and we could really get into a fight about 
taking monies that could help to feed families, etc. That's just one 
step away from talking politics, and I don't debate politics via mailing 
lists. I do it the manly way, over an alcoholic beverage, and with a 
smile on my face. Let's face it, there are merits and faults to all of 
the different systems, and they don't always fit the curve based on 
where they are located, the members that are there, and the talent that 
they bring. The end result is that we have started, or are starting 
these spaces to give like-minded people a place to share, and to pass on 
skillz to those that want to learn. Let's not lose sight of that 
please.  I didn't start mine to make a profit, and I damn sure didn't 
start it to get rid of my paycheck. I started it to spend time with my 
friends, make new ones, and create some cool toys/applications/etc. 
That's what I'll do until it's time NOT to do it anymore. :)

-Sky

On 10/29/2010 11:04 AM, Brain Tank wrote:
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Brain Tank* <thebraintank at gmail.com 
> <mailto:thebraintank at gmail.com>>
> Date: Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Finance] Startup Costs
> To: "Christopher J. Pilkington" <cjp at 0x1.net <mailto:cjp at 0x1.net>>
>
>
> Dodge, parry, thrust.
>
> You made your point toward the negatives. I made mine using your 
> logic. Let's get back to innovating and accentuating the positives 
> shall we?
>
> -David Johnson
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Christopher J. Pilkington 
> <cjp at 0x1.net <mailto:cjp at 0x1.net>> wrote:
>
>     On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:02:58AM -0400, Brain Tank wrote:
>     > If this works we've even gone a step further, WE HAVE NOT TAKEN
>     MONEY AWAY FROM
>     > NON-PROFITS. We are generating new income instead while doing
>     non-profit type
>     > things for the community. Tinkering is good but whatever money a
>     Hackerspace
>     > gets donated to them for a tool or event could just as easily
>     have gone to help
>     > people feed their families.
>
>     This is fearmongering. You're making the false assumption that
>     donations to a non-profit hackerspace are reallocations of
>     donations to other non-profits.
>
>     Furthermore, I'd argue that if I get members of the community
>     interested in technology, and learning the basics through the
>     classes we offer, I'm putting them in a better position to be
>     employable (if not in the short term, in the long term), which
>     does indeed help people feed their families.
>
>     Again, I brought up the difference between a hackerspace and a
>     for-profit technology workshop because the economics are quite
>     different, and this list is centered on the finances of
>     hackerspaces.  I did not mean to start a holy war on the merits
>     of hackerspaces vs. for-profit workshops.
>
>     -cjp
>     sig315.org <http://sig315.org>
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