[sudoroom] The Sudo Sandwich

Thomas Fitzpatrick fitzsnaggle at gmail.com
Tue Jan 1 07:33:46 CET 2013 

On 12/31/2012 02:47 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:
> The issues about sales tax, use tax, or non-taxable regarding food for 
> consumption is in fact a murky area. See 
> http://www.taxes.ca.gov/Sales_and_Use_Tax/WhatsTaxable.shtml
>
> sent from eddan.com <http://eddan.com>
>
> On Dec 31, 2012, at 2:38 PM, "Leonid Kozhukh" <len at ligertail.com 
> <mailto:len at ligertail.com>> wrote:
>
>> more importantly, eddan, what tax structure do we use for such an 
>> undertaking? shouldnt we put our eggs in multiple bread-baskets, if 
>> you will, and diversify to cover all extremes of diet preference as 
>> well as authoritarian control over ones life?
>>
>> some food for thought, no doubt. ha
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at eddan.com 
>> <mailto:eddan at eddan.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Dear Sudo folk -
>>
>>     There's been some talk of a Sudo Sandwich of late. I've decided
>>     (as eddan.com <http://eddan.com>) to make the creation of the
>>     ultimate Sudo sandwich one of my resolutions for this upcoming year.
>>
>>     Trying to get a bit of a head start, I spoke to Nacho Boy earlier
>>     today, who's the guy that kind of looks like the guy in the Ike's
>>     Lair logo, but apparently is not. Ike's Lair is the sandwich shop
>>     on Sudo Sq., about which I don't really need to further
>>     advertise, deducing from the familiar brown paper bags and
>>     lollipop wrappers evident in the Sudo trash & recycling.
>>
>>     I got some good background on Ike's and the external process by
>>     which someone can propose a sandwich talking to Nacho Boy. He's
>>     apparently responsible for quite a number of Ike's more than 400
>>     sandwiches - including the Nacho Boy, of course, but also proudly
>>     the Menage a Trois, which is the most popular sandwich. (see
>>     http://ilikeikesplace.com/ for a full listing). When I asked him
>>     for a list of ingredients, he did seem to get a little defensive
>>     even though I hadn't yet mentioned anything about the ultimate
>>     sandwich idea. It turns out we're going to have to reverse
>>     engineer that from the website, which is thankfully laid out to
>>     sort by ingredients anyhow.
>>
>>     According to Nacho Boy, Ike's is on the verge of an explosion
>>     around the Bay Area in 2013 on top of the quickly multiplying
>>     locations already, including one at SFO. The way Nacho Boy tells
>>     it, it seems like 2013 will be the year of Ike's and there's no
>>     stopping them. For a peek at what the real Ike looks like and
>>     some more background, see
>>     http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/26/us/26sfmetro.html. Watch out
>>     Subway, & the guy named Jared made famous for having lost a lot
>>     of weight eating only Subway sandwiches. Actually, Michael Phelps
>>     known for being the greatest athlete in Olympic history, is now
>>     their mascot. Anyhow - see the Man v Food Travel Channel youtube
>>     clip on Ike's for an even closer look --
>>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1cGUsvqu2g.
>>
>>     Despite the fame, Ike Shehadeh is very approachable Nacho Boy
>>     tells me - he still tweets his own tweets and reads his own
>>     Facebook fan page comments.
>>
>>     So, back to the Sudo Sandwich and the process by which we could
>>     create the ultimate sandwich. The state of discussions I've taken
>>     part in around Sudo Room has two main camps, as far as I can
>>     conclude. There are those who believe this kind of thing should
>>     be done automatically, and propose that the whole mailing list be
>>     surveyed for a democratically elected sandwich that would be the
>>     ultimate Sudo Sandwich, as according to the members of Sudo Room.
>>     There is another camp, call it the do-ocracy way if you will,
>>     that thinks that people who think they're really good at making
>>     sandwiches should propose a certain combination and the members
>>     of Sudo Room would vote on the best one, but only members in good
>>     standing.
>>
>>     I'd like to propose a third way, as I am wont to do. I think it
>>     would be wise to follow on the ambition of our Oakland pioneer
>>     mentors, Pandora, whose offices are still a block over in the
>>     building on Webster. The special sauce is the Music Genome
>>     Project - http://www.pandora.com/about/mgp - whereby each song is
>>     analyzed by paid amateur local musicians according to more than a
>>     hundred component parts. The algorithm of which song would be
>>     best to follow on the last one uses this as a foundation and then
>>     adds the layer of popularity as represented by the feedback users
>>     send back to Pandora as part of the customization of their own
>>     tailored music channels. Pandora is now moving on to humor
>>     apparently, to create a genome project of that. Pandora will
>>     ultimately be known not for radio, but as a taste engine, IMHO.
>>     This part of creating the ultimate sandwich is crucial to avoid
>>     those aspects of taste that are outside of majority-vote based
>>     rules, where you somehow end up with ancho
>>      vies and blueberry jam, which don't go together as some matter
>>     of objectivity, as far as I'm concerned.
>>
>>     On top of that and in the spirit of Sudo Room - I propose that
>>     the ultimate sandwich algorithm be subject to the principals of
>>     Universal Design (http://www.universaldesign.com/), which have
>>     advanced technology and accessibility beyond the framework of
>>     special accommodation as required by laws such as the ADA. The
>>     ultimate sandwich should, in my opinion, be the sandwich that is
>>     openly accessible to just about any dietary restriction. Peanut
>>     allergies, vegan philosophy, cave man diets, etc. inclusive. The
>>     sandwich should be modular enough such that any such restriction
>>     could be faithfully ameliorated with removal of that ingredient
>>     from the sandwich, if need be, as a last resort. The
>>     accreditation system of Kosher food, as an example of what must
>>     lie outside of such an algorithm, is ultimately decided on a
>>     monopoly theory of control, whereby a rabbi must be willing to
>>     put his name behind it. Those aspects of keeping kosher based in
>>     a tradition of food chain systematics whose me
>>      thod and practice are universally accessible in being laid out
>>     in a common text, could be accounted for however in such an
>>     algorithm.
>>
>>     I should mention as a matter of disclosure of any possible bias
>>     that my beliefs about the ultimate ingredients in food come from
>>     an unfortunate experience thirteen years ago at Pauline's Pizza
>>     in San Francisco. A gathering of several close friends from
>>     college, myself, and my girlfriend at the time, who shall out of
>>     respect to this story, remain nameless. Health-concerning eating
>>     issues aside, I was convinced that this group of people could
>>     agree on common ingredients for a large pizza. A simple method of
>>     tabulating ingredient preferences with the provided crayons on
>>     the wax paper tablecloth turned quickly into a stormy occasion of
>>     veto control, unnecessary name-calling, and quickly devolved into
>>     the belligerent sliding of parmesan cheese and red pepper glass
>>     shakers. It remains a painful memory to this day, and the
>>     particular events that occurred are still controversial as a
>>     matter of fact.
>>
>>
>>     -sent from eddan.com <http://eddan.com>
>>
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>>
>> -- 
>> len
>>
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I talked this over with my friend and we came up with a Vietnamese - 
Portabella mushroom sandwich. Cucumber, Pickled carrots, sprouts, leave 
the fish sauce out. The French bread works for a lot of people. Leave 
the jalapenos off too.

Anyway, I think the base of cucumber, carrot, and french bread works 
pretty well for a large group. Maybe someone can build from there.
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