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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/31/2012 02:47 PM, Eddan Katz
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<div>The issues about sales tax, use tax, or non-taxable regarding
food for consumption is in fact a murky area. See <span
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On Dec 31, 2012, at 2:38 PM, "Leonid Kozhukh" <<a
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<div dir="ltr">more importantly, eddan, what tax structure do
we use for such an undertaking? shouldnt we put our eggs in
multiple bread-baskets, if you will, and diversify to cover
all extremes of diet preference as well as authoritarian
control over ones life?
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<div style="">some food for thought, no doubt. ha</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:29 PM,
Eddan Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Sudo folk -<br>
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There's been some talk of a Sudo Sandwich of late. I've
decided (as <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://eddan.com" target="_blank">eddan.com</a>)
to make the creation of the ultimate Sudo sandwich one
of my resolutions for this upcoming year.<br>
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Trying to get a bit of a head start, I spoke to Nacho
Boy earlier today, who's the guy that kind of looks like
the guy in the Ike's Lair logo, but apparently is not.
Ike's Lair is the sandwich shop on Sudo Sq., about which
I don't really need to further advertise, deducing from
the familiar brown paper bags and lollipop wrappers
evident in the Sudo trash & recycling.<br>
<br>
I got some good background on Ike's and the external
process by which someone can propose a sandwich talking
to Nacho Boy. He's apparently responsible for quite a
number of Ike's more than 400 sandwiches - including the
Nacho Boy, of course, but also proudly the Menage a
Trois, which is the most popular sandwich. (see <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ilikeikesplace.com/" target="_blank">http://ilikeikesplace.com/</a>
for a full listing). When I asked him for a list of
ingredients, he did seem to get a little defensive even
though I hadn't yet mentioned anything about the
ultimate sandwich idea. It turns out we're going to have
to reverse engineer that from the website, which is
thankfully laid out to sort by ingredients anyhow.<br>
<br>
According to Nacho Boy, Ike's is on the verge of an
explosion around the Bay Area in 2013 on top of the
quickly multiplying locations already, including one at
SFO. The way Nacho Boy tells it, it seems like 2013 will
be the year of Ike's and there's no stopping them. For a
peek at what the real Ike looks like and some more
background, see <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/26/us/26sfmetro.html"
target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/26/us/26sfmetro.html</a>.
Watch out Subway, & the guy named Jared made famous
for having lost a lot of weight eating only Subway
sandwiches. Actually, Michael Phelps known for being the
greatest athlete in Olympic history, is now their
mascot. Anyhow - see the Man v Food Travel Channel
youtube clip on Ike's for an even closer look -- <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1cGUsvqu2g"
target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1cGUsvqu2g</a>.<br>
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Despite the fame, Ike Shehadeh is very approachable
Nacho Boy tells me - he still tweets his own tweets and
reads his own Facebook fan page comments.<br>
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So, back to the Sudo Sandwich and the process by which
we could create the ultimate sandwich. The state of
discussions I've taken part in around Sudo Room has two
main camps, as far as I can conclude. There are those
who believe this kind of thing should be done
automatically, and propose that the whole mailing list
be surveyed for a democratically elected sandwich that
would be the ultimate Sudo Sandwich, as according to the
members of Sudo Room. There is another camp, call it the
do-ocracy way if you will, that thinks that people who
think they're really good at making sandwiches should
propose a certain combination and the members of Sudo
Room would vote on the best one, but only members in
good standing.<br>
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I'd like to propose a third way, as I am wont to do. I
think it would be wise to follow on the ambition of our
Oakland pioneer mentors, Pandora, whose offices are
still a block over in the building on Webster. The
special sauce is the Music Genome Project - <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.pandora.com/about/mgp"
target="_blank">http://www.pandora.com/about/mgp</a> -
whereby each song is analyzed by paid amateur local
musicians according to more than a hundred component
parts. The algorithm of which song would be best to
follow on the last one uses this as a foundation and
then adds the layer of popularity as represented by the
feedback users send back to Pandora as part of the
customization of their own tailored music channels.
Pandora is now moving on to humor apparently, to create
a genome project of that. Pandora will ultimately be
known not for radio, but as a taste engine, IMHO. This
part of creating the ultimate sandwich is crucial to
avoid those aspects of taste that are outside of
majority-vote based rules, where you somehow end up with
ancho<br>
vies and blueberry jam, which don't go together as some
matter of objectivity, as far as I'm concerned.<br>
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On top of that and in the spirit of Sudo Room - I
propose that the ultimate sandwich algorithm be subject
to the principals of Universal Design (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.universaldesign.com/" target="_blank">http://www.universaldesign.com/</a>),
which have advanced technology and accessibility beyond
the framework of special accommodation as required by
laws such as the ADA. The ultimate sandwich should, in
my opinion, be the sandwich that is openly accessible to
just about any dietary restriction. Peanut allergies,
vegan philosophy, cave man diets, etc. inclusive. The
sandwich should be modular enough such that any such
restriction could be faithfully ameliorated with removal
of that ingredient from the sandwich, if need be, as a
last resort. The accreditation system of Kosher food, as
an example of what must lie outside of such an
algorithm, is ultimately decided on a monopoly theory of
control, whereby a rabbi must be willing to put his name
behind it. Those aspects of keeping kosher based in a
tradition of food chain systematics whose me<br>
thod and practice are universally accessible in being
laid out in a common text, could be accounted for
however in such an algorithm.<br>
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I should mention as a matter of disclosure of any
possible bias that my beliefs about the ultimate
ingredients in food come from an unfortunate experience
thirteen years ago at Pauline's Pizza in San Francisco.
A gathering of several close friends from college,
myself, and my girlfriend at the time, who shall out of
respect to this story, remain nameless.
Health-concerning eating issues aside, I was convinced
that this group of people could agree on common
ingredients for a large pizza. A simple method of
tabulating ingredient preferences with the provided
crayons on the wax paper tablecloth turned quickly into
a stormy occasion of veto control, unnecessary
name-calling, and quickly devolved into the belligerent
sliding of parmesan cheese and red pepper glass shakers.
It remains a painful memory to this day, and the
particular events that occurred are still controversial
as a matter of fact.<br>
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I talked this over with my friend and we came up with a Vietnamese -
Portabella mushroom sandwich. Cucumber, Pickled carrots, sprouts,
leave the fish sauce out. The French bread works for a lot of
people. Leave the jalapenos off too.<br>
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Anyway, I think the base of cucumber, carrot, and french bread works
pretty well for a large group. Maybe someone can build from there.<br>
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