[sudoroom] Proposal to rent biohack room and fishbowl

Fri Oct 26 21:34:33 CEST 2012

I believe we are talking about sound *recording* which is extremely
sensitive to outside noise. ;)

Cheers!

// Matt

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Tony Barreca <tony.barreca at gmail.com>wrote:

> Perhaps I'm completely clueless here, but I've done a ton of video editing
> in development (i.e., programming) environments, and earphones worked
> perfectly while avoiding disruptions or interference.  I wonder if sound
> containment really deserves to be on the list?
>
> I suspect that minimizing constraints is probably a good idea.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Seems to me we have a few global needs which capture a large swath of
>> interests:
>>
>> 1. Common, empty working table space. Somewhere to throw laptops down and
>> have a huddle, or to open something up and put it back together.
>> 2. Fixed station space. A few stations dedicated to particular, open
>> usage (maybe a computer terminal, a 3-d printer, or some other device).
>> 2. (a) some of these stations may have delicate concerns (e.g.
>> ventilation for soldering, sound containment for recording).
>> 3. Water and sink. Access or proximity to water and a sink are necessary
>> for various activities.
>> 4. Windows and air. Access or proximity to outside air is necessary for
>> various activities. I think this model might be a useful conceptual one,
>> and please remix or build on it if you think it's useful!
>>  *
>> Open working space, fixed stations *(w/ various insulation)*,**accessible water/plumbing fixtures,
>> *and *accessible window(s)/air*.
>>
>> // Matt
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> these are great additional points to consider. let's discuss more
>>> tomorrow!
>>>
>>> - marina
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM, rusty lindgren <
>>> rustylindgren at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Marina,
>>>>
>>>> I could help you set-up a very nice recording area, and could help
>>>> procure some basic gear, and rent other gear, and I think we could cart
>>>> things back and forth depending on that need.  It also fits the requirement
>>>> of "quiet-time," so we could have that designation for certain times, like
>>>> programming and video work, or something.   Given that, the other basic
>>>> requirements would be this:
>>>>
>>>>    1. Somewhere we can be quiet during certain times
>>>>    2. A quiet space or one  that is capable of handling some basic
>>>>    rigging with sound blankets
>>>>    3. An  8x8 area
>>>>
>>>> Beyond that, I will be very welcoming to anyone who wants to do
>>>> multi-media work, and will try my best to set up a gear fund, or lend out
>>>> my personal gear at a small fee for group members.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else should let me know, because it will help with planning, and
>>>> my decision making process.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>
>>>> Rusty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> i am interested in multimedia, mostly focusing on audio production
>>>>> (sudoradio!). not sure why your x got deleted - i'm sure it was a glitch!
>>>>>
>>>>> - marina
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:26 AM, rusty lindgren <
>>>>> rustylindgren at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My "x" got deleted for video/multimedia.  Does anyone else want
>>>>>> video/multi-media space?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel like people could really take advantage of that, and I would
>>>>>> be able to rent out my equipment at a very low rate to members and do skill
>>>>>> trade.  If not, I will probably charge more money, and rent out one of the
>>>>>> other spaces myself, and I would need to know very soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let me know,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Matthew Senate <
>>>>>> mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To save you the trouble of opening that Word Document, please see
>>>>>>> below:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Minimal Satisfactory Rental*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Top Activity Priorities – percent in favor:*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 57% computer workstation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 57% 3D printer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 52% soldering workstation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 48% classroom space
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 48% couches
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 48% group working spaces
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 38% wet lab
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 38% laser cutting/engraving
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 38% bicycle/human powered repair station
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 38% rooftop forest / vertical hanging garden
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 33% hammocks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 33% bookshelves/library
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Out of 21 respondents, recorded *here<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqBO4Q7UXSgXdDdIR1hUN3FhTGN3b0FEMGJvVU5yaFE#gid=0>
>>>>>>> * as of 10/26 and subject to my best arithmetic / copypaste.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Satisfactory Space Discussion*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of the top three activities, the soldering workstation has the
>>>>>>> greatest constraint in that it requires ventilation. Unless one of the $900
>>>>>>> rooms can be fitted with ventilation, the windows in the biohack room would
>>>>>>> be critical for this activity. Of the next 3 activities, a classroom space
>>>>>>> and meeting space are provided ready to use downstairs, and couches for
>>>>>>> hacking back in comfort can be placed upstairs either in the sudo-exclusive
>>>>>>> space or I would assume in the common use space if other renters agree. The
>>>>>>> absolute cheapest upstairs room is the mezzanine at $300, which would not
>>>>>>> be suitable for more than 2 people working at a time and is therefore
>>>>>>> excluded from this proposal. The minimum size requirements would be met by
>>>>>>> renting one $900 room and the $175 closet, thereby retaining access to both
>>>>>>> floors. To enable soldering and wet lab activities and provide more storage
>>>>>>> space, the incremental cost to rent the next more expensive room is $600.
>>>>>>> The incremental cost of retaining the fishbowl instead of the closet is
>>>>>>> $225, which would provide better visibility for events and a nicer
>>>>>>> environment for compact activities at about twice the price per square foot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Rental Cost*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Assuming $100/mo utility)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Minimal Rental $1,175
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Minimal Rental prioritizing fishbowl $1,400
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Minimal Rental prioritizing biohack room $1,775
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Minimal Satisfactory Rental:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (biohack room + fishbowl) $2,000
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Baseline Revenues*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sudoroom only
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * 25 ppl x $50*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * subtotal dues = $1,250*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> others from *this
>>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsQ2Ur3gqJI_dFRyalZjOHQzYmotZkxNWU9lLXhEeHc#gid=0>
>>>>>>> document<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsQ2Ur3gqJI_dFRyalZjOHQzYmotZkxNWU9lLXhEeHc#gid=0>
>>>>>>> * minus $50 baseline dues
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * $270 jae personal projects area*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * $200 felicia personal projects area*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * $200 hol personal projects area*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * subtotal personal space rental = $670*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> total dues + personal space rental = *$1,920*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Proposal*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personal space rental is over 2/3 of the rent of the a $900 upstairs
>>>>>>> room from the three parties above alone, which would not leave sufficient
>>>>>>> group work/storage space. As the closet is only used for storage and there
>>>>>>> is a nice storagey looking room in the biohack space, and the fishbowl is
>>>>>>> much cooler, I propose going for the minimal satisfactory rental outlined
>>>>>>> above. We are almost right on the money for rental (not factoring in
>>>>>>> utilities or one-time costs) and I expect there will be more membership
>>>>>>> interest with a wet lab, adequate ventilation, and a street-facing area on
>>>>>>> the first floor. This will satisfy the space requirements for each activity
>>>>>>> having at least one third of members in support – with the likely exception
>>>>>>> of vertical hanging gardens.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Proposed Contingency Plans*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Backup Plan (--)*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If sufficient personal space rental or dues is unlikely to
>>>>>>> materialize in time or we want more for the rainy day fund, I propose to
>>>>>>> abandon the fish bowl and stick to the closet for a total cost of $1,775.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Expanded Plan (++)*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there's enough interest in additional groups joining or otherwise
>>>>>>> viable plans for generating revenue, I propose adding on a $900 room for a
>>>>>>> total cost of $2,900 or less if discounted. We should also remain open to
>>>>>>> adding the extra space in a different building, still under the sudoroom
>>>>>>> umbrella but better suited to some of the dirtier/dustier activities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This document may be modified and freely distributed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:44 AM, <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I won't be around oakland or computers this weekend so I want to
>>>>>>>> go ahead and submit my proposal.  Now I can start packing...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Enjoy the gathering Saturday!
>>>>>>>> Hol
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Rusty Lindgren**
>>>>>> Digital Publishing / Web Solutions*
>>>>>> ***   Phone: 916-220-5340   *
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> *Rusty Lindgren**
>>>> Digital Publishing / Web Solutions*
>>>> ***   Phone: 916-220-5340   *
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>>
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