[sudoroom] **CRITICAL** Update for 2135 broadway, Oakland, CA

[Marina Kukso]

Omw with 2 chairs I picked up off the side of the road and construction
paper.
On Jun 5, 2012 7:53 PM, "Patrik D'haeseleer" <patrikd at gmail.com> wrote:

> I may drop by around 9, in case anyone is still there...
>
> Patrik
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:36 PM, jenny ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just got this! Heading over now...
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ II Skyrocket™, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone.
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> Subject: Re: [sudoroom] **CRITICAL** Update for 2135 broadway, Oakland,
>> CA
>> From: Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>
>> To: Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
>> CC: "sudoroom at lists.hackerspaces.org" <sudoroom at lists.hackerspaces.org>
>>
>>
>> Well hell, that is certainly doocratic! I can't make it right now but
>> will see you all tomorrow.
>> On Jun 5, 2012 5:58 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, tomorrow night would be better anyhow. Just wanted to invite
>>> everyone to when George gives me the keys.
>>> We'll meet at Tech Liminal as usual and maybe walk over to 2135
>>> afterwards?
>>>
>>>
>>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800
>>>
>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Victoria Bogdan <bogdan.victoria at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can we also celebrate tomorrow during normal Sudo Room meeting times?
>>> Maybe we can all walk down there? If you have the keys/ access perhaps we
>>> can check it out? :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Hey there Sudo people.
>>>>
>>>> I dropped by the 2135 Broadway building and saw the owner George at 3
>>>> (he's always there at 3pm apparently) to see if there was any update on
>>>> some of the offices. Apparently, the empty office out front was just
>>>> secured by someone and the first floor room (near common area) was also
>>>> just snatched up.
>>>>
>>>> I did not want to lose this opportunity at this location, though it
>>>> does seem like there's a lot of turnover in the building. Given that we're
>>>> in the first week of June already, George was willing to waive the month of
>>>> June rent. So I decided to put a deposit down on several of the rooms - the
>>>> "box office"; the orange closet (near the common area) and the upstairs
>>>> offices that Matt previously described.
>>>>
>>>> We negotiated down to $575 for the box office and the orange closet
>>>> combined [I wrote him a check for $1,150]. Separately, he was willing to
>>>> rent the office #1 next to the reception upstairs for $300/month. [I wrote
>>>> him a check for $600].
>>>>
>>>> Regardless of the collective Sudo Room decision on the space, I thought
>>>> with sharing just a couple offices with some of you folks in strategic
>>>> locations, we could then use the common areas for meetings, conferences,
>>>> classes, with a waiting/reception area as well as the box office room.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone wants to join me at 6:15pm at 2135 Broadway, it would be
>>>> great to get a chance to celebrate over some beers nearby.
>>>>
>>>> -Eddan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/3/12 1:55 PM, Matthew Senate wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We can post locations we find here: http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/
>>>>
>>>> We need at least address, phone, details from each property.
>>>>
>>>> You can use the web form on the site, send an email to
>>>> info at sudoroom.org, or simply tweet @sudroom or #sudoroom.
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to send a text to my twitter account to tweet @sudoroom,
>>>> which we'll be able to pull into crowd map later.
>>>>
>>>> You can also attach pictures and video. We can export everything as a
>>>> CSV later.
>>>>
>>>> // Matt
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>>
>>>>>  looking forward to seeing all of you at 2PM at oscar grant plaza for
>>>>> our scouting session. bring your bikes and phones as we might be using
>>>>> crowdmap to share what we find as we scout.
>>>>>
>>>>>  i've also tried to distill some of the main questions, comments, and
>>>>> concerns from everyone's emails on this space and placed them on the riseup
>>>>> pad (https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom). feel free to add more
>>>>> questions/comments/concerns, answer any questions, respond to any of the
>>>>> raised points, and continue discussing.
>>>>>
>>>>>  if you have any trouble accessing the pad, here are the notes i
>>>>> added:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Questions:
>>>>> - When does the decision have to be made by?
>>>>> - How would it work to start with one space and move into others?
>>>>> - Does the room itself have a separate door/lock from the front door?
>>>>> - Can everyone have keys to the front entrance and/or to the room
>>>>> itself?
>>>>> - How big is the classroom?
>>>>> - It was mentioned that the classroom is available for anyone to use.
>>>>> How does the signup for the classroom work? How early do you have to book
>>>>> it? Does it have a separate key, etc?
>>>>> - What would happen with tech liminal - would we continue to have
>>>>> meetings there? Relatedly, how long can we continue to meet at tech liminal
>>>>> while we look for a permanent place?
>>>>> - Who will be on the contract?
>>>>>
>>>>>  Concerns:
>>>>> - Too expensive per sq ft?
>>>>> - Is it worth it to spend money on a temporary space for 2 months?
>>>>> Would it be better to save money and stay in tech liminal until a better
>>>>> space comes along?
>>>>> - Is it too small to be practical?
>>>>> - If spaces in this building come up for rent often (and the manager
>>>>> is flexible and allows month to month rent on them frequently), how urgent
>>>>> is it to move on this particular spot?
>>>>>     - One issue to consider here is that the front room may not come
>>>>> up for rent often - there are a number of rooms in this building, but only
>>>>> one that faces the street. (MK)
>>>>> - Governance, membership, and financial issues will need to be
>>>>> resolved ASAP if we agree to move forward with the space.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Comments:
>>>>> - Good location
>>>>>      - Two of the spaces in the building are accessible - questions
>>>>> about accessibility the upstairs office space.
>>>>>     - Near BART
>>>>>     - Lots of foot traffic in this neighborhood
>>>>>     - Creative neighbors may provide opportunities for
>>>>> cross-pollination
>>>>> - Low initial capital investment
>>>>> - Street-facing room allows for signage/other creative recruitment
>>>>> mechanisms.
>>>>>     - The "box office" room is not itself a storefront; there is a
>>>>> small foyer in the building with nothing in it. However, the "box office"
>>>>> does have a large window that opens into the foyer and is visible from the
>>>>> street. I think there are many opportunities for utilizing that window and
>>>>> folks are already discussing possibilities for eye-catching and awesome
>>>>> recruitment mechanisms. (MK)
>>>>> - Flexibility of rental contract is a positive.
>>>>>  - Landlord is friendly to the project.
>>>>> - Landlord is flexible in terms of rooms rented - many possibilities
>>>>> for moving into additional spaces (building has a variety of spaces that
>>>>> are more/less conducive to solitary, collaborative, and other modes of
>>>>> work). Landlord is open to providing discounts on additional spaces once
>>>>> first space is rented.
>>>>> - Shared classroom space is little-used and available for all tenants.
>>>>> - Space has wifi and landlord is open to possibly wiring it in the
>>>>> future
>>>>>  - The small size of the room can be an advantage instead of a
>>>>> disadvantage. It will make it easier to maintain a "hub of activity"
>>>>> feeling with fewer people, and the image of several hackers seen through
>>>>> the window trying to fit into the room will make the case demonstratively
>>>>> that we need a bigger room.
>>>>>  - The curb in front of the building is zoned for 2 spots for loading
>>>>> and unloading - this may be useful for setting up a way to receive
>>>>> donations of hardware in a spot easily accessible to the public.
>>>>>  - Existence of a space is likely to increase interest and bring in
>>>>> new sudoers
>>>>>  - Existence of a space creates "facts on the ground" that will
>>>>> energize and motivate existing sudoers to maintain it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> michael and i actually were wondering what the situation was with
>>>>>> that building as we checked out 2135 broadway today. it's seemed empty for
>>>>>> at least a couple years (i've never seen anything but the current posters
>>>>>> there). the kapor center site says that they plan to move in in 2013...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  also, while we're on the topic of neighbors of 2135, to the right
>>>>>> of 2135 is a psychic. to the right of the psychic (with the tile mosaic
>>>>>> entryway) is the separate entrance to the upstairs part of 2135 (this is
>>>>>> the entrance for the upstairs double office - option #3 in matt's original
>>>>>> email). to the right of that is a currently empty spot that will have a new
>>>>>> organization moving in starting in june: the sound room (bay area jazz and
>>>>>> arts) http://secondsaturdaysalon.com/. the sound room is also
>>>>>> somehow partnered with the space directly to the left of 2135 - 2131
>>>>>> broadway (the papered-up space all the way on the left in this streetview:
>>>>>> https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24).
>>>>>> 2131 had an art show yesterday as part of art murmur. this is listed as a
>>>>>> sound room event on the sound room site: "Art show featuring  Faultline
>>>>>> ArtSpace will be held at 2131 Broadway - in the same building as our space
>>>>>> but on the adjacent corner." however, by today everything at 2131 was
>>>>>> packed up and empty, so it's not clear what the situation is with 2131.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  either way, it looks like the spot will have interesting neighbors
>>>>>> moving in soon, and potentially folks we would want to get in touch with
>>>>>> (at the very least because of the surprising resonances between our
>>>>>> organizations' names: sudo room/sound room)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  - marina
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  It turns out the neighbors directly across the street from 2135
>>>>>>> Broadway will be the future home of the Kapor Center (
>>>>>>> http://www.kaporcenter.org/).  Or they may already have some
>>>>>>> offices set up in there? I haven't seen anyone come in or out when I've
>>>>>>> passed by. Does anyone know anything about that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/2/12 9:03 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well we are the hackers. We will be the ones using it. The most
>>>>>>> important part is that wherever we go, we hack in there. Aq
>>>>>>> On Jun 2, 2012 8:53 AM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Regarding Tech Liminal, it was my understanding that we still
>>>>>>>> wanted to have meetings there and that this is a temporary (6-month)
>>>>>>>> initiative to formulate aspects of SudoRoom's identity not as easily
>>>>>>>> developed from those meetings at Tech Liminal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Also, I think it worthwhile mentioning that the curb in front of
>>>>>>>> the building is zoned for 2 spots for loading and unloading - this may be
>>>>>>>> useful for setting up a way to receive donations of hardware in a spot
>>>>>>>> easily accessible to the public.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800 <%2B1%28415%29%20728-5800>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   I think we should put a big sign on the window of the office
>>>>>>>> facing the street (bullet-proof, as the manager mentioned) that says:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  "Help us get a bigger: SudoRoom.org".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  With the placement of the sign along people's walk home from the
>>>>>>>> BART to the lake - I can imagine getting our money back, renting more
>>>>>>>> practical space in that building and then some, imho. The image of several
>>>>>>>> hackers seen through the window trying to fit into the room will make the
>>>>>>>> case demonstratively that we need a bigger room.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  For those who have seen the place, I can think of no better space
>>>>>>>> that evokes the name - Sudo Room.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  [constraints are the canvas of creativity]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800 <%2B1%28415%29%20728-5800>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2012, at 5:18 PM, "Patrik D'haeseleer" <patrikd at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On the other hand - what do we really gain by renting a temporary
>>>>>>>> 150 sq ft room, that we couldn't get at TechLiminal for free? Place to
>>>>>>>> leave stuff lying around? Is 150 sq ft even big enough to fit us all?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As long as Anca is happy to host us (and I think having the extra
>>>>>>>> traffic is probably a good thing for TechLiminal) I don't see a good reason
>>>>>>>> to spend our small amount of funds on a separate room that we don't truly
>>>>>>>> need and that would only be a temporary fix anyway. I'd say let's spend
>>>>>>>> some of that money on Anca, and stay at Techliminal at least until we find
>>>>>>>> something more permanent..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, as soon as we start paying rent on a monthly basis, we need
>>>>>>>> to get serious about monthly paying memberships as well. But so far we
>>>>>>>> haven't done much to make people eager to pay for a membership.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Besides, if this guy really has lots of spaces and they come up for
>>>>>>>> rent often, there really isn't any need to jump on whatever he has
>>>>>>>> available right now. I'm sure he'll have some other spaces open next month
>>>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Patrik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Jenny Ryan <jenny at thepyre.org>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Matt, and also Eddan & Timon - thanks for moving on this! I think
>>>>>>>>> this could be a fantastic initial space for Sudo Room..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Location is great, though 150 square feet is absurdly small. How
>>>>>>>>> big is the classroom we could use?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Overpriced for the size, imho, but the visibility we could
>>>>>>>>> definitely work wrt outreach for the group... though with the rest of the
>>>>>>>>> building's amenities available to us, might be a good bet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would love to meet on Saturday, though would have to be early
>>>>>>>>> afternoon for me to make it (send-off party for our yurt builder & current
>>>>>>>>> resident, Morten, in our garden on Saturday starting around 4! email me if
>>>>>>>>> you'd like to come :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>> http://jennyryan.net
>>>>>>>>> http://thepyre.org
>>>>>>>>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
>>>>>>>>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>>>>>>  "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
>>>>>>>>> -Laurie Anderson
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of
>>>>>>>>> defining it."
>>>>>>>>>  -Hannah Arendt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>>>>>>>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
>>>>>>>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Eddie A Tejeda <
>>>>>>>>> eddie.tejeda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Matt.. thanks for leading this. I think this is a great
>>>>>>>>>> opportunity. If I understand this correctly, there are multiple spaces
>>>>>>>>>> available and we can start with one and move into other ones as needed? If
>>>>>>>>>> that's the case I think it makes perfect sense to start with the smaller
>>>>>>>>>> space and grow as needed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also this it's a cool location. When do you need to make the
>>>>>>>>>> decision by?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Eddie A Tejeda
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Matthew Senate <
>>>>>>>>>> mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Howdy Folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We've been in search of a space. There are lots of options, and
>>>>>>>>>>> bigger, brighter futures rest on the horizon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  On Weds, Eddan found this listing on craigslist:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3036298243.html seen here:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24<https://mapsgoogle.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I gave George, the property manager, a call. I had seen some
>>>>>>>>>>> other offices in his space months before, he has lots of spaces and they
>>>>>>>>>>> come up for rent often. All month-to-month contracts, and a lease if we
>>>>>>>>>>> really want one He said he was available today at 3pm. I showed up and
>>>>>>>>>>> Eddan and Timon joined in.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We saw three offices. I have photographs stored on a proprietary
>>>>>>>>>>> memory device and will retrieve them ASAP upon apprehension of the proper
>>>>>>>>>>> cable.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. $500 / month 350 sq ft - The LISTED ROOM - has WiFi access,
>>>>>>>>>>> on the ground floor, outlets, lights. It is a good deal for the size, but
>>>>>>>>>>> it is not very close to the street. One must walk through a hallway,
>>>>>>>>>>> through a half-office, and down another hallway (all disability accessible)
>>>>>>>>>>> to get to it. This is not bad, just a bit removed from public view.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. $400 / month (no exact measure, but about 150 sq. ft). - The
>>>>>>>>>>> BOX OFFICE (calling it that for short). Has a window, is just a few feet
>>>>>>>>>>> inside public-facing  street-level doors in the same area as the LISTED
>>>>>>>>>>> ROOM. Also has WiFi Access. Sits directly outside a shared building
>>>>>>>>>>> "classroom" area available to all renters, just sign up ahead of time. If
>>>>>>>>>>> we rent the BOX OFFICE, we can occasionally use the LISTED ROOM while it's
>>>>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  3. $350 / month (no exact measure, but no bigger than 400 sq
>>>>>>>>>>> ft) - The DOUBLE OFFICE is upstairs, at the very top of the entrance steps.
>>>>>>>>>>> It has access to an unused, common "reception" area that would be available
>>>>>>>>>>> for our usage. It has cable and wifi internet access. The DOUBLE OFFICE
>>>>>>>>>>> includes two offices that are connected, side-by-side. The rear door has
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All rooms have access to the "classroom" area on the ground
>>>>>>>>>>> floor, just need to sign up as described above. The building just got
>>>>>>>>>>> faster WIFI service provided by Sonic.net installed recently.
>>>>>>>>>>> George is interested in providing line-access to internet in all ground
>>>>>>>>>>> floor offices in the future, we could also do this ourselves he offered.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, we can potentially rent multiple of these spaces, or move
>>>>>>>>>>> from one to other available spaces in the building at a later time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In order to move forward with this space (and not to lose
>>>>>>>>>>> footing), I have a proposal:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sudo Room should consider "dipping" it's toe into the BOX
>>>>>>>>>>> OFFICE space (no. 2 above) by investing a portion of our fund-raiser funds
>>>>>>>>>>> of $200 first month (50% off for move-in), $400 obligatory for last month
>>>>>>>>>>> (which can be july if we wish), and a redeemable $400 deposit--at a grand
>>>>>>>>>>> total of $1,000, lasting to at least July*. This would only
>>>>>>>>>>> commit us to two months in the space, the first month of which (June) we
>>>>>>>>>>> can sort out all the precise governance, tax, and income issues, by
>>>>>>>>>>> consensus, in order to move forward (remain, expand, or move) with this
>>>>>>>>>>> space and our future!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I propose we hold a discussion on this email thread, use our
>>>>>>>>>>> other online tools, convene an in-person meetup on Saturday (anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>> that's available), consider all the issues and list them on the wiki,
>>>>>>>>>>> convene briefly again on Sunday with whoever can make the "scout session"
>>>>>>>>>>> (still on), and plan to move forward on Monday having begun due diligence
>>>>>>>>>>> to consider if we have the blessings of our community!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please add notes in reply to this thread, on this pad (for
>>>>>>>>>>> anonymous communication too): https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroomand ultimately we'll put everything on the Wiki on Saturday to sort out by
>>>>>>>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On clarifying note: it seems to me that it would be prudent to
>>>>>>>>>>> maintain the Sunday "scouting" event for due diligence reasons, and for
>>>>>>>>>>> future option reasons!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> // Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> p.s. Note that time is crucial because other folks (including
>>>>>>>>>>> some we bumped into while on tour) are also looking at these spaces, and
>>>>>>>>>>> with the first of the month approaching, it is in the property manager's
>>>>>>>>>>> best interest to move folks in soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Eddie A Tejeda
>>>>>>>>>>
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