[sudoroom] CRITICAL Update for 2135 broadway, Oakland, CA

Wed Jun 6 04:53:05 CEST 2012

I may drop by around 9, in case anyone is still there...

Patrik

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:36 PM, jenny ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just got this! Heading over now...
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> Subject: Re: [sudoroom] **CRITICAL** Update for 2135 broadway, Oakland, CA
> From: Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>
> To: Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
> CC: "sudoroom at lists.hackerspaces.org" <sudoroom at lists.hackerspaces.org>
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> Well hell, that is certainly doocratic! I can't make it right now but will
> see you all tomorrow.
> On Jun 5, 2012 5:58 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, tomorrow night would be better anyhow. Just wanted to invite
>> everyone to when George gives me the keys.
>> We'll meet at Tech Liminal as usual and maybe walk over to 2135
>> afterwards?
>>
>>
>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Victoria Bogdan <bogdan.victoria at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Can we also celebrate tomorrow during normal Sudo Room meeting times?
>> Maybe we can all walk down there? If you have the keys/ access perhaps we
>> can check it out? :)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  Hey there Sudo people.
>>>
>>> I dropped by the 2135 Broadway building and saw the owner George at 3
>>> (he's always there at 3pm apparently) to see if there was any update on
>>> some of the offices. Apparently, the empty office out front was just
>>> secured by someone and the first floor room (near common area) was also
>>> just snatched up.
>>>
>>> I did not want to lose this opportunity at this location, though it does
>>> seem like there's a lot of turnover in the building. Given that we're in
>>> the first week of June already, George was willing to waive the month of
>>> June rent. So I decided to put a deposit down on several of the rooms - the
>>> "box office"; the orange closet (near the common area) and the upstairs
>>> offices that Matt previously described.
>>>
>>> We negotiated down to $575 for the box office and the orange closet
>>> combined [I wrote him a check for $1,150]. Separately, he was willing to
>>> rent the office #1 next to the reception upstairs for $300/month. [I wrote
>>> him a check for $600].
>>>
>>> Regardless of the collective Sudo Room decision on the space, I thought
>>> with sharing just a couple offices with some of you folks in strategic
>>> locations, we could then use the common areas for meetings, conferences,
>>> classes, with a waiting/reception area as well as the box office room.
>>>
>>> If anyone wants to join me at 6:15pm at 2135 Broadway, it would be great
>>> to get a chance to celebrate over some beers nearby.
>>>
>>> -Eddan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/3/12 1:55 PM, Matthew Senate wrote:
>>>
>>> We can post locations we find here: http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/
>>>
>>> We need at least address, phone, details from each property.
>>>
>>> You can use the web form on the site, send an email to info at sudoroom.org,
>>> or simply tweet @sudroom or #sudoroom.
>>>
>>> I'm going to send a text to my twitter account to tweet @sudoroom, which
>>> we'll be able to pull into crowd map later.
>>>
>>> You can also attach pictures and video. We can export everything as a
>>> CSV later.
>>>
>>> // Matt
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>
>>>>  looking forward to seeing all of you at 2PM at oscar grant plaza for
>>>> our scouting session. bring your bikes and phones as we might be using
>>>> crowdmap to share what we find as we scout.
>>>>
>>>>  i've also tried to distill some of the main questions, comments, and
>>>> concerns from everyone's emails on this space and placed them on the riseup
>>>> pad (https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom). feel free to add more
>>>> questions/comments/concerns, answer any questions, respond to any of the
>>>> raised points, and continue discussing.
>>>>
>>>>  if you have any trouble accessing the pad, here are the notes i added:
>>>>
>>>>  Questions:
>>>> - When does the decision have to be made by?
>>>> - How would it work to start with one space and move into others?
>>>> - Does the room itself have a separate door/lock from the front door?
>>>> - Can everyone have keys to the front entrance and/or to the room
>>>> itself?
>>>> - How big is the classroom?
>>>> - It was mentioned that the classroom is available for anyone to use.
>>>> How does the signup for the classroom work? How early do you have to book
>>>> it? Does it have a separate key, etc?
>>>> - What would happen with tech liminal - would we continue to have
>>>> meetings there? Relatedly, how long can we continue to meet at tech liminal
>>>> while we look for a permanent place?
>>>> - Who will be on the contract?
>>>>
>>>>  Concerns:
>>>> - Too expensive per sq ft?
>>>> - Is it worth it to spend money on a temporary space for 2 months?
>>>> Would it be better to save money and stay in tech liminal until a better
>>>> space comes along?
>>>> - Is it too small to be practical?
>>>> - If spaces in this building come up for rent often (and the manager is
>>>> flexible and allows month to month rent on them frequently), how urgent is
>>>> it to move on this particular spot?
>>>>     - One issue to consider here is that the front room may not come up
>>>> for rent often - there are a number of rooms in this building, but only one
>>>> that faces the street. (MK)
>>>> - Governance, membership, and financial issues will need to be resolved
>>>> ASAP if we agree to move forward with the space.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Comments:
>>>> - Good location
>>>>      - Two of the spaces in the building are accessible - questions
>>>> about accessibility the upstairs office space.
>>>>     - Near BART
>>>>     - Lots of foot traffic in this neighborhood
>>>>     - Creative neighbors may provide opportunities for cross-pollination
>>>> - Low initial capital investment
>>>> - Street-facing room allows for signage/other creative recruitment
>>>> mechanisms.
>>>>     - The "box office" room is not itself a storefront; there is a
>>>> small foyer in the building with nothing in it. However, the "box office"
>>>> does have a large window that opens into the foyer and is visible from the
>>>> street. I think there are many opportunities for utilizing that window and
>>>> folks are already discussing possibilities for eye-catching and awesome
>>>> recruitment mechanisms. (MK)
>>>> - Flexibility of rental contract is a positive.
>>>>  - Landlord is friendly to the project.
>>>> - Landlord is flexible in terms of rooms rented - many possibilities
>>>> for moving into additional spaces (building has a variety of spaces that
>>>> are more/less conducive to solitary, collaborative, and other modes of
>>>> work). Landlord is open to providing discounts on additional spaces once
>>>> first space is rented.
>>>> - Shared classroom space is little-used and available for all tenants.
>>>> - Space has wifi and landlord is open to possibly wiring it in the
>>>> future
>>>>  - The small size of the room can be an advantage instead of a
>>>> disadvantage. It will make it easier to maintain a "hub of activity"
>>>> feeling with fewer people, and the image of several hackers seen through
>>>> the window trying to fit into the room will make the case demonstratively
>>>> that we need a bigger room.
>>>>  - The curb in front of the building is zoned for 2 spots for loading
>>>> and unloading - this may be useful for setting up a way to receive
>>>> donations of hardware in a spot easily accessible to the public.
>>>>  - Existence of a space is likely to increase interest and bring in
>>>> new sudoers
>>>>  - Existence of a space creates "facts on the ground" that will
>>>> energize and motivate existing sudoers to maintain it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> michael and i actually were wondering what the situation was with that
>>>>> building as we checked out 2135 broadway today. it's seemed empty for at
>>>>> least a couple years (i've never seen anything but the current posters
>>>>> there). the kapor center site says that they plan to move in in 2013...
>>>>>
>>>>>  also, while we're on the topic of neighbors of 2135, to the right of
>>>>> 2135 is a psychic. to the right of the psychic (with the tile mosaic
>>>>> entryway) is the separate entrance to the upstairs part of 2135 (this is
>>>>> the entrance for the upstairs double office - option #3 in matt's original
>>>>> email). to the right of that is a currently empty spot that will have a new
>>>>> organization moving in starting in june: the sound room (bay area jazz and
>>>>> arts) http://secondsaturdaysalon.com/. the sound room is also somehow
>>>>> partnered with the space directly to the left of 2135 - 2131 broadway (the
>>>>> papered-up space all the way on the left in this streetview:
>>>>> https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24).
>>>>> 2131 had an art show yesterday as part of art murmur. this is listed as a
>>>>> sound room event on the sound room site: "Art show featuring  Faultline
>>>>> ArtSpace will be held at 2131 Broadway - in the same building as our space
>>>>> but on the adjacent corner." however, by today everything at 2131 was
>>>>> packed up and empty, so it's not clear what the situation is with 2131.
>>>>>
>>>>>  either way, it looks like the spot will have interesting neighbors
>>>>> moving in soon, and potentially folks we would want to get in touch with
>>>>> (at the very least because of the surprising resonances between our
>>>>> organizations' names: sudo room/sound room)
>>>>>
>>>>>  - marina
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  It turns out the neighbors directly across the street from 2135
>>>>>> Broadway will be the future home of the Kapor Center (
>>>>>> http://www.kaporcenter.org/).  Or they may already have some offices
>>>>>> set up in there? I haven't seen anyone come in or out when I've passed by.
>>>>>> Does anyone know anything about that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/2/12 9:03 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well we are the hackers. We will be the ones using it. The most
>>>>>> important part is that wherever we go, we hack in there. Aq
>>>>>> On Jun 2, 2012 8:53 AM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Regarding Tech Liminal, it was my understanding that we still
>>>>>>> wanted to have meetings there and that this is a temporary (6-month)
>>>>>>> initiative to formulate aspects of SudoRoom's identity not as easily
>>>>>>> developed from those meetings at Tech Liminal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Also, I think it worthwhile mentioning that the curb in front of
>>>>>>> the building is zoned for 2 spots for loading and unloading - this may be
>>>>>>> useful for setting up a way to receive donations of hardware in a spot
>>>>>>> easily accessible to the public.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800 <%2B1%28415%29%20728-5800>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   I think we should put a big sign on the window of the office
>>>>>>> facing the street (bullet-proof, as the manager mentioned) that says:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  "Help us get a bigger: SudoRoom.org".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  With the placement of the sign along people's walk home from the
>>>>>>> BART to the lake - I can imagine getting our money back, renting more
>>>>>>> practical space in that building and then some, imho. The image of several
>>>>>>> hackers seen through the window trying to fit into the room will make the
>>>>>>> case demonstratively that we need a bigger room.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  For those who have seen the place, I can think of no better space
>>>>>>> that evokes the name - Sudo Room.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  [constraints are the canvas of creativity]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800 <%2B1%28415%29%20728-5800>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2012, at 5:18 PM, "Patrik D'haeseleer" <patrikd at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On the other hand - what do we really gain by renting a temporary
>>>>>>> 150 sq ft room, that we couldn't get at TechLiminal for free? Place to
>>>>>>> leave stuff lying around? Is 150 sq ft even big enough to fit us all?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As long as Anca is happy to host us (and I think having the extra
>>>>>>> traffic is probably a good thing for TechLiminal) I don't see a good reason
>>>>>>> to spend our small amount of funds on a separate room that we don't truly
>>>>>>> need and that would only be a temporary fix anyway. I'd say let's spend
>>>>>>> some of that money on Anca, and stay at Techliminal at least until we find
>>>>>>> something more permanent..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, as soon as we start paying rent on a monthly basis, we need to
>>>>>>> get serious about monthly paying memberships as well. But so far we haven't
>>>>>>> done much to make people eager to pay for a membership.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Besides, if this guy really has lots of spaces and they come up for
>>>>>>> rent often, there really isn't any need to jump on whatever he has
>>>>>>> available right now. I'm sure he'll have some other spaces open next month
>>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Patrik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Jenny Ryan <jenny at thepyre.org>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Matt, and also Eddan & Timon - thanks for moving on this! I think
>>>>>>>> this could be a fantastic initial space for Sudo Room..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Location is great, though 150 square feet is absurdly small. How
>>>>>>>> big is the classroom we could use?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Overpriced for the size, imho, but the visibility we could
>>>>>>>> definitely work wrt outreach for the group... though with the rest of the
>>>>>>>> building's amenities available to us, might be a good bet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would love to meet on Saturday, though would have to be early
>>>>>>>> afternoon for me to make it (send-off party for our yurt builder & current
>>>>>>>> resident, Morten, in our garden on Saturday starting around 4! email me if
>>>>>>>> you'd like to come :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>> http://jennyryan.net
>>>>>>>> http://thepyre.org
>>>>>>>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
>>>>>>>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>>>>>  "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
>>>>>>>> -Laurie Anderson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of
>>>>>>>> defining it."
>>>>>>>>  -Hannah Arendt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>>>>>>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
>>>>>>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Eddie A Tejeda <
>>>>>>>> eddie.tejeda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Matt.. thanks for leading this. I think this is a great
>>>>>>>>> opportunity. If I understand this correctly, there are multiple spaces
>>>>>>>>> available and we can start with one and move into other ones as needed? If
>>>>>>>>> that's the case I think it makes perfect sense to start with the smaller
>>>>>>>>> space and grow as needed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also this it's a cool location. When do you need to make the
>>>>>>>>> decision by?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Eddie A Tejeda
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Matthew Senate <
>>>>>>>>> mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Howdy Folks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We've been in search of a space. There are lots of options, and
>>>>>>>>>> bigger, brighter futures rest on the horizon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  On Weds, Eddan found this listing on craigslist:
>>>>>>>>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3036298243.html seen here:
>>>>>>>>>> https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24<https://mapsgoogle.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I gave George, the property manager, a call. I had seen some
>>>>>>>>>> other offices in his space months before, he has lots of spaces and they
>>>>>>>>>> come up for rent often. All month-to-month contracts, and a lease if we
>>>>>>>>>> really want one He said he was available today at 3pm. I showed up and
>>>>>>>>>> Eddan and Timon joined in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We saw three offices. I have photographs stored on a proprietary
>>>>>>>>>> memory device and will retrieve them ASAP upon apprehension of the proper
>>>>>>>>>> cable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. $500 / month 350 sq ft - The LISTED ROOM - has WiFi access, on
>>>>>>>>>> the ground floor, outlets, lights. It is a good deal for the size, but it
>>>>>>>>>> is not very close to the street. One must walk through a hallway, through a
>>>>>>>>>> half-office, and down another hallway (all disability accessible) to get to
>>>>>>>>>> it. This is not bad, just a bit removed from public view.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2. $400 / month (no exact measure, but about 150 sq. ft). - The
>>>>>>>>>> BOX OFFICE (calling it that for short). Has a window, is just a few feet
>>>>>>>>>> inside public-facing  street-level doors in the same area as the LISTED
>>>>>>>>>> ROOM. Also has WiFi Access. Sits directly outside a shared building
>>>>>>>>>> "classroom" area available to all renters, just sign up ahead of time. If
>>>>>>>>>> we rent the BOX OFFICE, we can occasionally use the LISTED ROOM while it's
>>>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  3. $350 / month (no exact measure, but no bigger than 400 sq
>>>>>>>>>> ft) - The DOUBLE OFFICE is upstairs, at the very top of the entrance steps.
>>>>>>>>>> It has access to an unused, common "reception" area that would be available
>>>>>>>>>> for our usage. It has cable and wifi internet access. The DOUBLE OFFICE
>>>>>>>>>> includes two offices that are connected, side-by-side. The rear door has
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All rooms have access to the "classroom" area on the ground
>>>>>>>>>> floor, just need to sign up as described above. The building just got
>>>>>>>>>> faster WIFI service provided by Sonic.net installed recently.
>>>>>>>>>> George is interested in providing line-access to internet in all ground
>>>>>>>>>> floor offices in the future, we could also do this ourselves he offered.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, we can potentially rent multiple of these spaces, or move
>>>>>>>>>> from one to other available spaces in the building at a later time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In order to move forward with this space (and not to lose
>>>>>>>>>> footing), I have a proposal:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sudo Room should consider "dipping" it's toe into the BOX
>>>>>>>>>> OFFICE space (no. 2 above) by investing a portion of our fund-raiser funds
>>>>>>>>>> of $200 first month (50% off for move-in), $400 obligatory for last month
>>>>>>>>>> (which can be july if we wish), and a redeemable $400 deposit--at a grand
>>>>>>>>>> total of $1,000, lasting to at least July*. This would only
>>>>>>>>>> commit us to two months in the space, the first month of which (June) we
>>>>>>>>>> can sort out all the precise governance, tax, and income issues, by
>>>>>>>>>> consensus, in order to move forward (remain, expand, or move) with this
>>>>>>>>>> space and our future!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I propose we hold a discussion on this email thread, use our
>>>>>>>>>> other online tools, convene an in-person meetup on Saturday (anywhere
>>>>>>>>>> that's available), consider all the issues and list them on the wiki,
>>>>>>>>>> convene briefly again on Sunday with whoever can make the "scout session"
>>>>>>>>>> (still on), and plan to move forward on Monday having begun due diligence
>>>>>>>>>> to consider if we have the blessings of our community!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please add notes in reply to this thread, on this pad (for
>>>>>>>>>> anonymous communication too): https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroomand ultimately we'll put everything on the Wiki on Saturday to sort out by
>>>>>>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On clarifying note: it seems to me that it would be prudent to
>>>>>>>>>> maintain the Sunday "scouting" event for due diligence reasons, and for
>>>>>>>>>> future option reasons!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> // Matt
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> p.s. Note that time is crucial because other folks (including
>>>>>>>>>> some we bumped into while on tour) are also looking at these spaces, and
>>>>>>>>>> with the first of the month approaching, it is in the property manager's
>>>>>>>>>> best interest to move folks in soon.
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Eddie A Tejeda
>>>>>>>>>
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