[sudoroom] **CRITICAL** Update for 2135 broadway, Oakland, CA

[Marina Kukso]

Well hell, that is certainly doocratic! I can't make it right now but will
see you all tomorrow.
On Jun 5, 2012 5:58 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:

> Yeah, tomorrow night would be better anyhow. Just wanted to invite
> everyone to when George gives me the keys.
> We'll meet at Tech Liminal as usual and maybe walk over to 2135 afterwards?
>
>
> sent from +1(415) 728-5800
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> On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Victoria Bogdan <bogdan.victoria at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Can we also celebrate tomorrow during normal Sudo Room meeting times?
> Maybe we can all walk down there? If you have the keys/ access perhaps we
> can check it out? :)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:
>
>>  Hey there Sudo people.
>>
>> I dropped by the 2135 Broadway building and saw the owner George at 3
>> (he's always there at 3pm apparently) to see if there was any update on
>> some of the offices. Apparently, the empty office out front was just
>> secured by someone and the first floor room (near common area) was also
>> just snatched up.
>>
>> I did not want to lose this opportunity at this location, though it does
>> seem like there's a lot of turnover in the building. Given that we're in
>> the first week of June already, George was willing to waive the month of
>> June rent. So I decided to put a deposit down on several of the rooms - the
>> "box office"; the orange closet (near the common area) and the upstairs
>> offices that Matt previously described.
>>
>> We negotiated down to $575 for the box office and the orange closet
>> combined [I wrote him a check for $1,150]. Separately, he was willing to
>> rent the office #1 next to the reception upstairs for $300/month. [I wrote
>> him a check for $600].
>>
>> Regardless of the collective Sudo Room decision on the space, I thought
>> with sharing just a couple offices with some of you folks in strategic
>> locations, we could then use the common areas for meetings, conferences,
>> classes, with a waiting/reception area as well as the box office room.
>>
>> If anyone wants to join me at 6:15pm at 2135 Broadway, it would be great
>> to get a chance to celebrate over some beers nearby.
>>
>> -Eddan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/3/12 1:55 PM, Matthew Senate wrote:
>>
>> We can post locations we find here: http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/
>>
>> We need at least address, phone, details from each property.
>>
>> You can use the web form on the site, send an email to info at sudoroom.org,
>> or simply tweet @sudroom or #sudoroom.
>>
>> I'm going to send a text to my twitter account to tweet @sudoroom, which
>> we'll be able to pull into crowd map later.
>>
>> You can also attach pictures and video. We can export everything as a CSV
>> later.
>>
>> // Matt
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi friends,
>>>
>>>  looking forward to seeing all of you at 2PM at oscar grant plaza for
>>> our scouting session. bring your bikes and phones as we might be using
>>> crowdmap to share what we find as we scout.
>>>
>>>  i've also tried to distill some of the main questions, comments, and
>>> concerns from everyone's emails on this space and placed them on the riseup
>>> pad (https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom). feel free to add more
>>> questions/comments/concerns, answer any questions, respond to any of the
>>> raised points, and continue discussing.
>>>
>>>  if you have any trouble accessing the pad, here are the notes i added:
>>>
>>>  Questions:
>>> - When does the decision have to be made by?
>>> - How would it work to start with one space and move into others?
>>> - Does the room itself have a separate door/lock from the front door?
>>> - Can everyone have keys to the front entrance and/or to the room itself?
>>> - How big is the classroom?
>>> - It was mentioned that the classroom is available for anyone to use.
>>> How does the signup for the classroom work? How early do you have to book
>>> it? Does it have a separate key, etc?
>>> - What would happen with tech liminal - would we continue to have
>>> meetings there? Relatedly, how long can we continue to meet at tech liminal
>>> while we look for a permanent place?
>>> - Who will be on the contract?
>>>
>>>  Concerns:
>>> - Too expensive per sq ft?
>>> - Is it worth it to spend money on a temporary space for 2 months? Would
>>> it be better to save money and stay in tech liminal until a better space
>>> comes along?
>>> - Is it too small to be practical?
>>> - If spaces in this building come up for rent often (and the manager is
>>> flexible and allows month to month rent on them frequently), how urgent is
>>> it to move on this particular spot?
>>>     - One issue to consider here is that the front room may not come up
>>> for rent often - there are a number of rooms in this building, but only one
>>> that faces the street. (MK)
>>> - Governance, membership, and financial issues will need to be resolved
>>> ASAP if we agree to move forward with the space.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Comments:
>>> - Good location
>>>      - Two of the spaces in the building are accessible - questions
>>> about accessibility the upstairs office space.
>>>     - Near BART
>>>     - Lots of foot traffic in this neighborhood
>>>     - Creative neighbors may provide opportunities for cross-pollination
>>> - Low initial capital investment
>>> - Street-facing room allows for signage/other creative recruitment
>>> mechanisms.
>>>     - The "box office" room is not itself a storefront; there is a small
>>> foyer in the building with nothing in it. However, the "box office" does
>>> have a large window that opens into the foyer and is visible from the
>>> street. I think there are many opportunities for utilizing that window and
>>> folks are already discussing possibilities for eye-catching and awesome
>>> recruitment mechanisms. (MK)
>>> - Flexibility of rental contract is a positive.
>>>  - Landlord is friendly to the project.
>>> - Landlord is flexible in terms of rooms rented - many possibilities for
>>> moving into additional spaces (building has a variety of spaces that are
>>> more/less conducive to solitary, collaborative, and other modes of work).
>>> Landlord is open to providing discounts on additional spaces once first
>>> space is rented.
>>> - Shared classroom space is little-used and available for all tenants.
>>> - Space has wifi and landlord is open to possibly wiring it in the future
>>>  - The small size of the room can be an advantage instead of a
>>> disadvantage. It will make it easier to maintain a "hub of activity"
>>> feeling with fewer people, and the image of several hackers seen through
>>> the window trying to fit into the room will make the case demonstratively
>>> that we need a bigger room.
>>>  - The curb in front of the building is zoned for 2 spots for loading
>>> and unloading - this may be useful for setting up a way to receive
>>> donations of hardware in a spot easily accessible to the public.
>>>  - Existence of a space is likely to increase interest and bring in new
>>> sudoers
>>>  - Existence of a space creates "facts on the ground" that will
>>> energize and motivate existing sudoers to maintain it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> michael and i actually were wondering what the situation was with that
>>>> building as we checked out 2135 broadway today. it's seemed empty for at
>>>> least a couple years (i've never seen anything but the current posters
>>>> there). the kapor center site says that they plan to move in in 2013...
>>>>
>>>>  also, while we're on the topic of neighbors of 2135, to the right of
>>>> 2135 is a psychic. to the right of the psychic (with the tile mosaic
>>>> entryway) is the separate entrance to the upstairs part of 2135 (this is
>>>> the entrance for the upstairs double office - option #3 in matt's original
>>>> email). to the right of that is a currently empty spot that will have a new
>>>> organization moving in starting in june: the sound room (bay area jazz and
>>>> arts) http://secondsaturdaysalon.com/. the sound room is also somehow
>>>> partnered with the space directly to the left of 2135 - 2131 broadway (the
>>>> papered-up space all the way on the left in this streetview:
>>>> https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24).
>>>> 2131 had an art show yesterday as part of art murmur. this is listed as a
>>>> sound room event on the sound room site: "Art show featuring  Faultline
>>>> ArtSpace will be held at 2131 Broadway - in the same building as our space
>>>> but on the adjacent corner." however, by today everything at 2131 was
>>>> packed up and empty, so it's not clear what the situation is with 2131.
>>>>
>>>>  either way, it looks like the spot will have interesting neighbors
>>>> moving in soon, and potentially folks we would want to get in touch with
>>>> (at the very least because of the surprising resonances between our
>>>> organizations' names: sudo room/sound room)
>>>>
>>>>  - marina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  It turns out the neighbors directly across the street from 2135
>>>>> Broadway will be the future home of the Kapor Center (
>>>>> http://www.kaporcenter.org/).  Or they may already have some offices
>>>>> set up in there? I haven't seen anyone come in or out when I've passed by.
>>>>> Does anyone know anything about that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/2/12 9:03 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well we are the hackers. We will be the ones using it. The most
>>>>> important part is that wherever we go, we hack in there. Aq
>>>>> On Jun 2, 2012 8:53 AM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Regarding Tech Liminal, it was my understanding that we still
>>>>>> wanted to have meetings there and that this is a temporary (6-month)
>>>>>> initiative to formulate aspects of SudoRoom's identity not as easily
>>>>>> developed from those meetings at Tech Liminal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Also, I think it worthwhile mentioning that the curb in front of
>>>>>> the building is zoned for 2 spots for loading and unloading - this may be
>>>>>> useful for setting up a way to receive donations of hardware in a spot
>>>>>> easily accessible to the public.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   I think we should put a big sign on the window of the office
>>>>>> facing the street (bullet-proof, as the manager mentioned) that says:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  "Help us get a bigger: SudoRoom.org".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  With the placement of the sign along people's walk home from the
>>>>>> BART to the lake - I can imagine getting our money back, renting more
>>>>>> practical space in that building and then some, imho. The image of several
>>>>>> hackers seen through the window trying to fit into the room will make the
>>>>>> case demonstratively that we need a bigger room.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  For those who have seen the place, I can think of no better space
>>>>>> that evokes the name - Sudo Room.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  [constraints are the canvas of creativity]
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2012, at 5:18 PM, "Patrik D'haeseleer" <patrikd at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On the other hand - what do we really gain by renting a temporary
>>>>>> 150 sq ft room, that we couldn't get at TechLiminal for free? Place to
>>>>>> leave stuff lying around? Is 150 sq ft even big enough to fit us all?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As long as Anca is happy to host us (and I think having the extra
>>>>>> traffic is probably a good thing for TechLiminal) I don't see a good reason
>>>>>> to spend our small amount of funds on a separate room that we don't truly
>>>>>> need and that would only be a temporary fix anyway. I'd say let's spend
>>>>>> some of that money on Anca, and stay at Techliminal at least until we find
>>>>>> something more permanent..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, as soon as we start paying rent on a monthly basis, we need to
>>>>>> get serious about monthly paying memberships as well. But so far we haven't
>>>>>> done much to make people eager to pay for a membership.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides, if this guy really has lots of spaces and they come up for
>>>>>> rent often, there really isn't any need to jump on whatever he has
>>>>>> available right now. I'm sure he'll have some other spaces open next month
>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Jenny Ryan <jenny at thepyre.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Matt, and also Eddan & Timon - thanks for moving on this! I think
>>>>>>> this could be a fantastic initial space for Sudo Room..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Location is great, though 150 square feet is absurdly small. How big
>>>>>>> is the classroom we could use?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Overpriced for the size, imho, but the visibility we could
>>>>>>> definitely work wrt outreach for the group... though with the rest of the
>>>>>>> building's amenities available to us, might be a good bet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would love to meet on Saturday, though would have to be early
>>>>>>> afternoon for me to make it (send-off party for our yurt builder & current
>>>>>>> resident, Morten, in our garden on Saturday starting around 4! email me if
>>>>>>> you'd like to come :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>> http://jennyryan.net
>>>>>>> http://thepyre.org
>>>>>>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
>>>>>>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>>>>  "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
>>>>>>> -Laurie Anderson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of
>>>>>>> defining it."
>>>>>>>  -Hannah Arendt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>>>>>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
>>>>>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Eddie A Tejeda <
>>>>>>> eddie.tejeda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Matt.. thanks for leading this. I think this is a great
>>>>>>>> opportunity. If I understand this correctly, there are multiple spaces
>>>>>>>> available and we can start with one and move into other ones as needed? If
>>>>>>>> that's the case I think it makes perfect sense to start with the smaller
>>>>>>>> space and grow as needed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also this it's a cool location. When do you need to make the
>>>>>>>> decision by?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Eddie A Tejeda
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Matthew Senate <
>>>>>>>> mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Howdy Folks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We've been in search of a space. There are lots of options, and
>>>>>>>>> bigger, brighter futures rest on the horizon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  On Weds, Eddan found this listing on craigslist:
>>>>>>>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3036298243.html seen here:
>>>>>>>>> https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24<https://mapsgoogle.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I gave George, the property manager, a call. I had seen some other
>>>>>>>>> offices in his space months before, he has lots of spaces and they come up
>>>>>>>>> for rent often. All month-to-month contracts, and a lease if we really want
>>>>>>>>> one He said he was available today at 3pm. I showed up and Eddan and Timon
>>>>>>>>> joined in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We saw three offices. I have photographs stored on a proprietary
>>>>>>>>> memory device and will retrieve them ASAP upon apprehension of the proper
>>>>>>>>> cable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. $500 / month 350 sq ft - The LISTED ROOM - has WiFi access, on
>>>>>>>>> the ground floor, outlets, lights. It is a good deal for the size, but it
>>>>>>>>> is not very close to the street. One must walk through a hallway, through a
>>>>>>>>> half-office, and down another hallway (all disability accessible) to get to
>>>>>>>>> it. This is not bad, just a bit removed from public view.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. $400 / month (no exact measure, but about 150 sq. ft). - The
>>>>>>>>> BOX OFFICE (calling it that for short). Has a window, is just a few feet
>>>>>>>>> inside public-facing  street-level doors in the same area as the LISTED
>>>>>>>>> ROOM. Also has WiFi Access. Sits directly outside a shared building
>>>>>>>>> "classroom" area available to all renters, just sign up ahead of time. If
>>>>>>>>> we rent the BOX OFFICE, we can occasionally use the LISTED ROOM while it's
>>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  3. $350 / month (no exact measure, but no bigger than 400 sq ft)
>>>>>>>>> - The DOUBLE OFFICE is upstairs, at the very top of the entrance steps. It
>>>>>>>>> has access to an unused, common "reception" area that would be available
>>>>>>>>> for our usage. It has cable and wifi internet access. The DOUBLE OFFICE
>>>>>>>>> includes two offices that are connected, side-by-side. The rear door has
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All rooms have access to the "classroom" area on the ground floor,
>>>>>>>>> just need to sign up as described above. The building just got faster WIFI
>>>>>>>>> service provided by Sonic.net installed recently. George is
>>>>>>>>> interested in providing line-access to internet in all ground floor offices
>>>>>>>>> in the future, we could also do this ourselves he offered.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, we can potentially rent multiple of these spaces, or move
>>>>>>>>> from one to other available spaces in the building at a later time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In order to move forward with this space (and not to lose
>>>>>>>>> footing), I have a proposal:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sudo Room should consider "dipping" it's toe into the BOX OFFICE
>>>>>>>>> space (no. 2 above) by investing a portion of our fund-raiser funds of $200
>>>>>>>>> first month (50% off for move-in), $400 obligatory for last month (which
>>>>>>>>> can be july if we wish), and a redeemable $400 deposit--at a grand total of
>>>>>>>>> $1,000, lasting to at least July*. This would only commit us to
>>>>>>>>> two months in the space, the first month of which (June) we can sort out
>>>>>>>>> all the precise governance, tax, and income issues, by consensus, in order
>>>>>>>>> to move forward (remain, expand, or move) with this space and our future!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I propose we hold a discussion on this email thread, use our other
>>>>>>>>> online tools, convene an in-person meetup on Saturday (anywhere that's
>>>>>>>>> available), consider all the issues and list them on the wiki, convene
>>>>>>>>> briefly again on Sunday with whoever can make the "scout session" (still
>>>>>>>>> on), and plan to move forward on Monday having begun due diligence to
>>>>>>>>> consider if we have the blessings of our community!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please add notes in reply to this thread, on this pad (for
>>>>>>>>> anonymous communication too): https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroomand ultimately we'll put everything on the Wiki on Saturday to sort out by
>>>>>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On clarifying note: it seems to me that it would be prudent to
>>>>>>>>> maintain the Sunday "scouting" event for due diligence reasons, and for
>>>>>>>>> future option reasons!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> // Matt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> p.s. Note that time is crucial because other folks (including some
>>>>>>>>> we bumped into while on tour) are also looking at these spaces, and with
>>>>>>>>> the first of the month approaching, it is in the property manager's best
>>>>>>>>> interest to move folks in soon.
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Eddie A Tejeda
>>>>>>>>
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