<p>Well hell, that is certainly doocratic! I can't make it right now but will see you all tomorrow.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 5, 2012 5:58 PM, "Eddan Katz" <<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Yeah, tomorrow night would be better anyhow. Just wanted to invite everyone to when George gives me the keys.</div><div>We'll meet at Tech Liminal as usual and maybe walk over to 2135 afterwards?</div>
<div><br><br>sent from <a href="tel:%2B1%28415%29%20728-5800" value="+14157285800" target="_blank">+1(415) 728-5800</a></div><div><br>On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Victoria Bogdan <<a href="mailto:bogdan.victoria@gmail.com" target="_blank">bogdan.victoria@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Can we also celebrate tomorrow during normal Sudo Room meeting times? Maybe we can all walk down there? If you have the keys/ access perhaps we can check it out? :)<br><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Eddan Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com" target="_blank">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
Hey there Sudo people.<br>
<br>
I dropped by the 2135 Broadway building and saw the owner George at
3 (he's always there at 3pm apparently) to see if there was any
update on some of the offices. Apparently, the empty office out
front was just secured by someone and the first floor room (near
common area) was also just snatched up.<br>
<br>
I did not want to lose this opportunity at this location, though it
does seem like there's a lot of turnover in the building. Given that
we're in the first week of June already, George was willing to waive
the month of June rent. So I decided to put a deposit down on
several of the rooms - the "box office"; the orange closet (near the
common area) and the upstairs offices that Matt previously
described. <br>
<br>
We negotiated down to $575 for the box office and the orange closet
combined [I wrote him a check for $1,150]. Separately, he was
willing to rent the office #1 next to the reception upstairs for
$300/month. [I wrote him a check for $600].<br>
<br>
Regardless of the collective Sudo Room decision on the space, I
thought with sharing just a couple offices with some of you folks in
strategic locations, we could then use the common areas for
meetings, conferences, classes, with a waiting/reception area as
well as the box office room.<br>
<br>
If anyone wants to join me at 6:15pm at 2135 Broadway, it would be
great to get a chance to celebrate over some beers nearby.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
-Eddan</font></span><div><div><br>
<br>
<br>
On 6/3/12 1:55 PM, Matthew Senate wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">We can post locations we find here: <a href="http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/" target="_blank">http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/</a><br>
<br>
We need at least address, phone, details from each property.<br>
<br>
You can use the web form on the site, send an email to <a href="mailto:info@sudoroom.org" target="_blank">info@sudoroom.org</a>,
or simply tweet @sudroom or #sudoroom.<br>
<br>
I'm going to send a text to my twitter account to tweet @sudoroom,
which we'll be able to pull into crowd map later.<br>
<br>
You can also attach pictures and video. We can export everything
as a CSV later.<br>
<br>
// Matt<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Marina
Kukso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com" target="_blank">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi friends,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>looking forward to seeing all of you at 2PM at oscar
grant plaza for our scouting session. bring your bikes and
phones as we might be using crowdmap to share what we find
as we scout.</div>
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>i've also tried to distill some of the main questions,
comments, and concerns from everyone's emails on this space
and placed them on the riseup pad (<a href="https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom" target="_blank">https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom</a>).
feel free to add more questions/comments/concerns, answer
any questions, respond to any of the raised points, and
continue discussing.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>if you have any trouble accessing the pad, here are the
notes i added:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Questions:
<div>- When does the decision have to be made by?</div>
<div>- How would it work to start with one space and move
into others?</div>
<div>- Does the room itself have a separate door/lock from
the front door?</div>
<div>- Can everyone have keys to the front entrance and/or
to the room itself?</div>
<div>- How big is the classroom?</div>
<div>- It was mentioned that the classroom is available for
anyone to use. How does the signup for the classroom work?
How early do you have to book it? Does it have a separate
key, etc?</div>
<div>- What would happen with tech liminal - would we
continue to have meetings there? Relatedly, how long can
we continue to meet at tech liminal while we look for a
permanent place?</div>
<div>- Who will be on the contract? <br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Concerns:</div>
<div>- Too expensive per sq ft?</div>
<div>- Is it worth it to spend money on a temporary space
for 2 months? Would it be better to save money and stay
in tech liminal until a better space comes along?</div>
<div>- Is it too small to be practical?</div>
<div>- If spaces in this building come up for rent often
(and the manager is flexible and allows month to month
rent on them frequently), how urgent is it to move on
this particular spot?</div>
<div> - One issue to consider here is that the front
room may not come up for rent often - there are a number
of rooms in this building, but only one that faces the
street. (MK)</div>
<div>- Governance, membership, and financial issues will
need to be resolved ASAP if we agree to move forward
with the space.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Comments:</div>
<div>- Good location</div>
<div>
<div> - Two of the spaces in the building are
accessible - questions about accessibility the
upstairs office space.</div>
<div> - Near BART</div>
<div> - Lots of foot traffic in this neighborhood</div>
<div> - Creative neighbors may provide opportunities
for cross-pollination</div>
<div>- Low initial capital investment</div>
<div>- Street-facing room allows for signage/other
creative recruitment mechanisms.</div>
<div> - The "box office" room is not itself a
storefront; there is a small foyer in the building
with nothing in it. However, the "box office" does
have a large window that opens into the foyer and is
visible from the street. I think there are many
opportunities for utilizing that window and folks are
already discussing possibilities for eye-catching and
awesome recruitment mechanisms. (MK)</div>
<div>- Flexibility of rental contract is a positive.</div>
</div>
<div>- Landlord is friendly to the project.</div>
<div>- Landlord is flexible in terms of rooms rented -
many possibilities for moving into additional spaces
(building has a variety of spaces that are more/less
conducive to solitary, collaborative, and other modes of
work). Landlord is open to providing discounts on
additional spaces once first space is rented.</div>
<div>- Shared classroom space is little-used and available
for all tenants.</div>
<div>- Space has wifi and landlord is open to possibly
wiring it in the future</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>- The small size of the room can be an advantage
instead of a disadvantage. It will make it easier to
maintain a "hub of activity" feeling with fewer
people, and the image of several hackers seen
through the window trying to fit into the room will
make the case demonstratively that we need a bigger
room.</div>
<div>
<div>- The curb in front of the building is zoned
for 2 spots for loading and unloading - this may
be useful for setting up a way to receive
donations of hardware in a spot easily accessible
to the public.</div>
</div>
<div>
- Existence of a space is likely to increase
interest and bring in new sudoers</div>
</div>
<div>- Existence of a space creates "facts on the
ground" that will energize and motivate existing
sudoers to maintain it.</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:55
PM, Marina Kukso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com" target="_blank">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">michael
and i actually were wondering what the situation was
with that building as we checked out 2135 broadway
today. it's seemed empty for at least a couple years
(i've never seen anything but the current posters
there). the kapor center site says that they plan to
move in in 2013...
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>also, while we're on the topic of neighbors of
2135, to the right of 2135 is a psychic. to the
right of the psychic (with the tile mosaic
entryway) is the separate entrance to the upstairs
part of 2135 (this is the entrance for the
upstairs double office - option #3 in matt's
original email). to the right of that is a
currently empty spot that will have a new
organization moving in starting in june: the sound
room (bay area jazz and arts) <a href="http://secondsaturdaysalon.com/" target="_blank">http://secondsaturdaysalon.com/</a>.
the sound room is also somehow partnered with the
space directly to the left of 2135 - 2131 broadway
(the papered-up space all the way on the left in
this streetview: <a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24" target="_blank">https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24</a>).
2131 had an art show yesterday as part of art
murmur. this is listed as a sound room event on
the sound room site: "Art show featuring
Faultline ArtSpace will be held at 2131 Broadway
- in the same building as our space but on the
adjacent corner." however, by today everything at
2131 was packed up and empty, so it's not clear
what the situation is with 2131.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>either way, it looks like the spot will have
interesting neighbors moving in soon, and
potentially folks we would want to get in touch
with (at the very least because of the surprising
resonances between our organizations' names: sudo
room/sound room)</div>
<span><font color="#888888">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- marina</div>
</font></span>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 2, 2012
at 10:23 PM, Eddan Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com" target="_blank">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> It
turns out the neighbors directly across
the street from 2135 Broadway will be
the future home of the Kapor Center (<a href="http://www.kaporcenter.org/" target="_blank">http://www.kaporcenter.org/</a>).
Or they may already have some offices
set up in there? I haven't seen anyone
come in or out when I've passed by. Does
anyone know anything about that? <br>
<div>
<div> <br>
<br>
On 6/2/12 9:03 AM, Jehan Tremback
wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<p>Well we are the hackers. We
will be the ones using it. The
most important part is that
wherever we go, we hack in
there. Aq</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 2,
2012 8:53 AM, "Eddan Katz" <<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com" target="_blank">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<div>Regarding Tech Liminal,
it was my understanding
that we still wanted to
have meetings there and
that this is a temporary
(6-month) initiative to
formulate aspects of
SudoRoom's identity not as
easily developed from
those meetings at Tech
Liminal.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also, I think it
worthwhile mentioning that
the curb in front of the
building is zoned for 2
spots for loading and
unloading - this may be
useful for setting up a
way to receive donations
of hardware in a spot
easily accessible to the
public.</div>
<div><br>
<br>
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<div><br>
On Jun 2, 2012, at 8:46
AM, Eddan Katz <<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com" target="_blank">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>I think we should
put a big sign on the
window of the office
facing the street
(bullet-proof, as the
manager mentioned)
that says:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"Help us get a
bigger: <a href="http://SudoRoom.org" target="_blank">SudoRoom.org</a>". </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>With the placement
of the sign along
people's walk home
from the BART to the
lake - I can imagine
getting our money
back, renting more
practical space in
that building and then
some, imho. The image
of several hackers
seen through the
window trying to fit
into the room will
make the case
demonstratively that
we need a bigger room.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For those who have
seen the place, I can
think of no better
space that evokes the
name - Sudo Room.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>[constraints are
the canvas of
creativity]</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
On Jun 1, 2012, at
5:18 PM, "Patrik
D'haeseleer" <<a href="mailto:patrikd@gmail.com" target="_blank">patrikd@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>On the other hand
- what do we really
gain by renting a
temporary 150 sq ft
room, that we
couldn't get at
TechLiminal for
free? Place to leave
stuff lying around?
Is 150 sq ft even
big enough to fit us
all?<br>
<br>
As long as Anca is
happy to host us
(and I think having
the extra traffic is
probably a good
thing for
TechLiminal) I don't
see a good reason to
spend our small
amount of funds on a
separate room that
we don't truly need
and that would only
be a temporary fix
anyway. I'd say
let's spend some of
that money on Anca,
and stay at
Techliminal at least
until we find
something more
permanent..<br>
<br>
Also, as soon as we
start paying rent on
a monthly basis, we
need to get serious
about monthly paying
memberships as well.
But so far we
haven't done much to
make people eager to
pay for a
membership. <br>
<br>
Besides, if this guy
really has lots of
spaces and they come
up for rent often,
there really isn't
any need to jump on
whatever he has
available right now.
I'm sure he'll have
some other spaces
open next month as
well.<br>
<br>
Patrik<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On
Fri, Jun 1, 2012
at 4:57 PM, Jenny
Ryan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jenny@thepyre.org" target="_blank">jenny@thepyre.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Matt, and also
Eddan &
Timon - thanks
for moving on
this! I think
this could be a
fantastic
initial space
for Sudo Room..<br>
<br>
Location is
great, though
150 square feet
is absurdly
small. How big
is the classroom
we could use?<br>
<br>
Overpriced for
the size, imho,
but the
visibility we
could definitely
work wrt
outreach for the
group... though
with the rest of
the building's
amenities
available to us,
might be a good
bet. <br>
<br>
Would love to
meet on
Saturday, though
would have to be
early afternoon
for me to make
it (send-off
party for our
yurt builder
& current
resident,
Morten, in our
garden on
Saturday
starting around
4! email me if
you'd like to
come :)<br>
<br clear="all">
Jenny<br>
<a href="http://jennyryan.net/" target="_blank">http://jennyryan.net</a><br>
<a href="http://thepyre.org/" target="_blank">http://thepyre.org</a><br>
<a href="http://thevirtualcampfire.org/" target="_blank">http://thevirtualcampfire.org</a><br>
<a href="http://technomadic.tumblr.com/" target="_blank">http://technomadic.tumblr.com</a><br>
<br>
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`<br>
<div>
"Technology is
the campfire
around which
we tell our
stories."<br>
-Laurie
Anderson<br>
<br>
"Storytelling
reveals
meaning
without
committing the
error of
defining it."<br>
-Hannah
Arendt<br>
<br>
"To define is
to kill. To
suggest is to
create."<br>
-Stéphane
Mallarmé<br>
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`</div>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Fri,
Jun 1, 2012 at
3:24 PM, Eddie
A Tejeda <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eddie.tejeda@gmail.com" target="_blank">eddie.tejeda@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div> Matt..
thanks for
leading this.
I think this
is a great
opportunity.
If I
understand
this
correctly,
there are
multiple
spaces
available and
we can start
with one and
move into
other ones as
needed? If
that's the
case I think
it makes
perfect sense
to start with
the smaller
space and grow
as needed.<br>
<br>
I also this
it's a cool
location. When
do you need to
make the
decision by?<br>
<br>
--<br>
Eddie A Tejeda<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>
<div>On Thu,
May 31, 2012
at 11:48 PM,
Matthew Senate
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com" target="_blank">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div>Howdy
Folks,<br>
<br>
We've been in
search of a
space. There
are lots of
options, and
bigger,
brighter
futures rest
on the
horizon.<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
On Weds, Eddan
found this
listing on
craigslist: <a href="http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3036298243.html" target="_blank">http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3036298243.html</a>
seen here: <a href="https://mapsgoogle.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24" target="_blank">https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24</a>
<div> <br>
<br>
I gave George,
the property
manager, a
call. I had
seen some
other offices
in his space
months before,
he has lots of
spaces and
they come up
for rent
often. All
month-to-month
contracts, and
a lease if we
really want
one He said he
was available
today at 3pm.
I showed up
and Eddan and
Timon joined
in.
<div> <br>
<br>
We saw three
offices. I
have
photographs
stored on a
proprietary
memory device
and will
retrieve them
ASAP upon
apprehension
of the proper
cable.<br>
<br>
1. $500 /
month 350 sq
ft - The
LISTED ROOM -
has WiFi
access, on the
ground floor,
outlets,
lights. It is
a good deal
for the size,
but it is not
very close to
the street.
One must walk
through a
hallway,
through a
half-office,
and down
another
hallway (all
disability
accessible) to
get to it.
This is not
bad, just a
bit removed
from public
view.<br>
<br>
2. $400 /
month (no
exact measure,
but about 150
sq. ft). - The
BOX OFFICE
(calling it
that for
short). Has a
window, is
just a few
feet inside
public-facing
street-level
doors in the
same area as
the LISTED
ROOM. Also has
WiFi Access.
Sits directly
outside a
shared
building
"classroom"
area available
to all
renters, just
sign up ahead
of time. If we
rent the BOX
OFFICE, we can
occasionally
use the LISTED
ROOM while
it's open<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>3. $350 /
month (no
exact measure,
but no bigger
than 400 sq
ft) - The
DOUBLE OFFICE
is upstairs,
at the very
top of the
entrance
steps. It has
access to an
unused, common
"reception"
area that
would be
available for
our usage. It
has cable and
wifi internet
access. The
DOUBLE OFFICE
includes two
offices that
are connected,
side-by-side.
The rear door
has<br>
<br>
All rooms have
access to the
"classroom"
area on the
ground floor,
just need to
sign up as
described
above. The
building just
got faster
WIFI service
provided by <a href="http://Sonic.net" target="_blank">Sonic.net</a>
installed
recently.
George is
interested in
providing
line-access to
internet in
all ground
floor offices
in the future,
we could also
do this
ourselves he
offered. <br>
<br>
Also, we can
potentially
rent multiple
of these
spaces, or
move from one
to other
available
spaces in the
building at a
later time. <br>
<br>
In order to
move forward
with this
space (and not
to lose
footing), I
have a
proposal:<br>
<br>
<b>Sudo Room
should
consider
"dipping" it's
toe into the
BOX OFFICE
space (no. 2
above) by
investing a
portion of our
fund-raiser
funds of $200
first month
(50% off for
move-in), $400
obligatory for
last month
(which can be
july if we
wish), and a
redeemable
$400
deposit--at a
grand total of
$1,000,
lasting to at
least July</b>.
This would
only commit us
to two months
in the space,
the first
month of which
(June) we can
sort out all
the precise
governance,
tax, and
income issues,
by consensus,
in order to
move forward
(remain,
expand, or
move) with
this space and
our future!<br>
<br>
I propose we
hold a
discussion on
this email
thread, use
our other
online tools,
convene an
in-person
meetup on
Saturday
(anywhere
that's
available),
consider all
the issues and
list them on
the wiki,
convene
briefly again
on Sunday with
whoever can
make the
"scout
session"
(still on),
and plan to
move forward
on Monday
having begun
due diligence
to consider if
we have the
blessings of
our community!<br>
<br>
Please add
notes in reply
to this
thread, on
this pad (for
anonymous
communication
too): <a href="https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom" target="_blank">https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom</a>
and ultimately
we'll put
everything on
the Wiki on
Saturday to
sort out by
Monday. <br>
<br>
On clarifying
note: it seems
to me that it
would be
prudent to
maintain the
Sunday
"scouting"
event for due
diligence
reasons, and
for future
option
reasons!<br>
<br>
// Matt<br>
<br>
p.s. Note that
time is
crucial
because other
folks
(including
some we bumped
into while on
tour) are also
looking at
these spaces,
and with the
first of the
month
approaching,
it is in the
property
manager's best
interest to
move folks in
soon. <br>
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