[sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?

Tue Jul 3 22:38:05 CEST 2012

I will pay $[rent]/n too.

On 3 July 2012 11:34, Victoria Bogdan <bogdan.victoria at gmail.com> wrote:

> Also happy to contribute for July, so please add my name to the tally!
>
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> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>wrote:
>
>>  Hi Jehan -
>>
>> There are two keys for 2135 Broadway that have been duplicated and
>> distributed around so as to make getting a copy easier - those are the keys
>> to: (1) the Box Office; and (2) the Orange Closet. I recently made another
>> set of those keys though and would happily meet you there and give them to
>> you. The landlord has no restrictions on the number of duplicates. There is
>> also a key to the main door - for the door itself and the gate-lock when
>> opening up and closing down. There are only several of these keys, though
>> the landlord would be willing to make additional ones for an additional
>> $10/month. Since that door is usually already opened by 8am by one of the
>> tenants and generally only closed at around 11pm - that key would not be
>> relevant for many users of the space.
>>
>> I have also paid the July rent ($300) for the upstairs office at 2141
>> Broadway, which has allowed us use of the reception area for the past
>> couple meetings. Accessibility is still only temporarily resolved with the
>> permission we've had from the landlord and the East Bay Meditation Center
>> where the elevator is, and therefore does not yet meet the criteria to
>> which we've committed in getting an appropriate Sudo Room space. I
>> therefore didn't think it would be appropriate to include that in the
>> amount I was asking from the Sudo folks on the list. If you want to start
>> using that room - let me know and I will make a copy for you as well. Right
>> now, about 5 people have keys to that room. My apologies for some of the
>> junk lying around - still making my way through it.
>>
>>
>> -Eddan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/3/12 9:15 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote:
>>
>> Cool, I can bring $50 by for the next meeting... are we meeting this
>> wednesday? I guess my question would be, once I have helped pay, how can I
>> access the space to work there? I would love to get started hackin' in our
>> new hackerspace. Which part of the building are we actually renting, and
>> how do I get in?
>>
>>  -Jehan
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  Thanks for the immediate offers to help out - on and off list. I'm
>>> sorry if the intended tone of my suggestion didn't come across. I was
>>> actually a supporter of postponing the decision to use existing funds until
>>> we have a better sense of how we work and what we're about. I'm very glad
>>> to hear people think we're at a critical mass and are impatient to move
>>> forward.
>>>
>>>  Given our current status as an unincorporated association of people, a
>>> proposal for voluntary contributions seemed to make the most sense. To
>>> clarify, I was hoping to use the occasion for paying July rent to expand
>>> our base of people who are connected and feel involved in Sudo Room. I am
>>> hoping that this would be incentive to get more people on board. It was not
>>> meant to be a suggestion for another fundraising campaign for Sudo Room. By
>>> suggesting that everyone give an equal amount, I think we can demonstrate
>>> how small that amount can be.
>>>
>>>  For example, if 12 people go in together (including me) - then it will
>>> be less than $50. If split by 77 (the current number of email subscribers
>>> to the list) - it would be $7.50 each. If divided by 142 (number of likes
>>> on Facebook), we would each pay $4.
>>>
>>>  There are many ways to cover mutual expenses without necessarily using
>>> a membership dues model. I think we should give ourselves the opportunity
>>> to try them out - at least in the interim.
>>>
>>>
>>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800
>>>
>>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "mattsenate at gmail.com" <mattsenate at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Eddan,
>>>
>>> I wish we were in a better position to have sorted this out before July,
>>> I am happy to kick in some cash, and I think we could get art murmur
>>> donations easily too.
>>>
>>> Tracy,
>>>
>>> I'm very much interested in establishing, very soon, a way to contribute
>>> regular dues, and to take donations from people who use and appreciate sudo
>>> resources infrequently.
>>>
>>> However, it would be smart to establish what paying dues means. To me
>>> they should carry reasonable weight and an articulated benefit to the
>>> duepayer. This of course must cherish a commitment to access and
>>> participation not contingent on funds. I believe that is hat underlies this
>>> whole governance discussion.
>>>
>>> I plan to explain this position in more detail on wiki and with more
>>> resources!
>>>
>>> Join me http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure
>>>
>>> - Matt
>>>
>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>> From: "Tracy Jacobs" <kinetical at comcast.net>
>>> Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 5:51 pm
>>> Subject: [sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?
>>> To: "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
>>> Cc: <sudoroom at lists.hackerspaces.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry Eddan,
>>>
>>> I can give you fifty dollars for July when I next see you or  by
>>> paypal if you prefer.  I don't understand the politics here or why we
>>> are not deciding to pay some dues for rent.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:
>>>
>>> > At the decision-making in-gathering last week, it was decided not to
>>> > make a decision about existing Sudo Room fund-raising income to be
>>> > used to pay rent at 2135 Broadway, at this time. The rationale being
>>> > that we've had a hard enough time making a decision about how to
>>> > make decisions that the process should probably not be complicated
>>> > any further. I applaud our resilience of deliberation, but then
>>> > there is the matter of July rent.
>>> >
>>> > I would like to propose something not on behalf of Sudo Room
>>> > officially, but that I hope will help us accomplish our goals, at
>>> > this time. The rent due for July for the "Box Office" and "Orange
>>> > Closet" amounts to $575. Since the "box office" will be central to
>>> > our Art Murmur happening and the "orange closet" continues to be
>>> > filled in our obsolete technology drive, I wanted to ask the good
>>> > Sudo folk on this list to pitch in for that amount. Tracy already
>>> > gave me $40 last week and Marc publicly announced his willingness to
>>> > give me $60 on-list. I want to make sure that everyone is clear
>>> > about the fact that if you would like to give me money at any time,
>>> > you are most welcome to. I have accounts with most mobile and online
>>> > payment providers, if that makes it any easier.
>>> >
>>> > But in terms of the $575 for July rent at 2135 Broadway, I wanted to
>>> > continue in our straw poll practice of gauging how many people would
>>> > be willing to chip in. If you're willing to go in together on rent
>>> > for the space in July, please reply to this email with a +1 (to me
>>> > and/or the list). By 6pm on Friday (the start of Art Murmur), I will
>>> > ask these voluntary contributors to give me $575 divided by the
>>> > number of people willing to volunteer. Needless to say - the higher
>>> > the number of people contributing, the lower the contribution
>>> > amount. If the number of contributors results in a sum too steep for
>>> > any volunteer in particular, the Art Murmur event could be an
>>> > opportunity to draw in others to cover that amount.
>>> >
>>> > This contribution does not constitute membership in Sudo Room, nor
>>> > does it enable special voting power, the use of a shelf, or a free t-
>>> > shirt. I was hoping though to get some help to display a running
>>> > list of the names of contributors against one of the walls at 2135
>>> > Broadway on Friday. If someone objects to the use of this list to
>>> > solicit July rent for and/or to the display of the names of this
>>> > group on the wall, please speak up and/or use the anonymous Sudo
>>> > pages to voice your concerns.
>>> >
>>> > -Eddan
>>> > [self-appointed exchequer]
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