I will pay $[rent]/n too.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 July 2012 11:34, Victoria Bogdan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bogdan.victoria@gmail.com" target="_blank">bogdan.victoria@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Also happy to contribute for July, so please add my name to the tally!<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Eddan Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com" target="_blank">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Hi Jehan -<br>
<br>
There are two keys for 2135 Broadway that have been duplicated and
distributed around so as to make getting a copy easier - those are
the keys to: (1) the Box Office; and (2) the Orange Closet. I
recently made another set of those keys though and would happily
meet you there and give them to you. The landlord has no
restrictions on the number of duplicates. There is also a key to the
main door - for the door itself and the gate-lock when opening up
and closing down. There are only several of these keys, though the
landlord would be willing to make additional ones for an additional
$10/month. Since that door is usually already opened by 8am by one
of the tenants and generally only closed at around 11pm - that key
would not be relevant for many users of the space.<br>
<br>
I have also paid the July rent ($300) for the upstairs office at
2141 Broadway, which has allowed us use of the reception area for
the past couple meetings. Accessibility is still only temporarily
resolved with the permission we've had from the landlord and the
East Bay Meditation Center where the elevator is, and therefore does
not yet meet the criteria to which we've committed in getting an
appropriate Sudo Room space. I therefore didn't think it would be
appropriate to include that in the amount I was asking from the Sudo
folks on the list. If you want to start using that room - let me
know and I will make a copy for you as well. Right now, about 5
people have keys to that room. My apologies for some of the junk
lying around - still making my way through it.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
<br>
-Eddan</font></span><div><div><br>
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On 7/3/12 9:15 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Cool, I can bring $50 by for the next meeting... are
we meeting this wednesday? I guess my question would be, once I
have helped pay, how can I access the space to work there? I would
love to get started hackin' in our new hackerspace. Which part of
the building are we actually renting, and how do I get in?
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<div>-Jehan<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eddan
Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com" target="_blank">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Thanks for the immediate offers to help out - on and
off list. I'm sorry if the intended tone of my
suggestion didn't come across. I was actually a
supporter of postponing the decision to use existing
funds until we have a better sense of how we work and
what we're about. I'm very glad to hear people think
we're at a critical mass and are impatient to move
forward. </div>
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<div>Given our current status as an unincorporated
association of people, a proposal for voluntary
contributions seemed to make the most sense. To clarify,
I was hoping to use the occasion for paying July rent to
expand our base of people who are connected and feel
involved in Sudo Room. I am hoping that this would be
incentive to get more people on board. It was not meant
to be a suggestion for another fundraising campaign for
Sudo Room. By suggesting that everyone give an equal
amount, I think we can demonstrate how small that amount
can be. </div>
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<div>For example, if 12 people go in together (including
me) - then it will be less than $50. If split by 77 (the
current number of email subscribers to the list) - it
would be $7.50 each. If divided by 142 (number of likes
on Facebook), we would each pay $4.</div>
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<div>There are many ways to cover mutual expenses without
necessarily using a membership dues model. I think we
should give ourselves the opportunity to try them out -
at least in the interim.</div>
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sent from <a href="tel:%2B1%28415%29%20728-5800" value="+14157285800" target="_blank">+1(415) 728-5800</a></div>
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On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com" target="_blank">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>"
<<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com" target="_blank">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Eddan,<br>
<br>
I wish we were in a better position to have sorted
this out before July, I am happy to kick in some
cash, and I think we could get art murmur
donations easily too.<br>
<br>
Tracy,<br>
<br>
I'm very much interested in establishing, very
soon, a way to contribute regular dues, and to
take donations from people who use and appreciate
sudo resources infrequently.<br>
<br>
However, it would be smart to establish what
paying dues means. To me they should carry
reasonable weight and an articulated benefit to
the duepayer. This of course must cherish a
commitment to access and participation not
contingent on funds. I believe that is hat
underlies this whole governance discussion.<br>
<br>
I plan to explain this position in more detail on
wiki and with more resources! <br>
<br>
Join me <a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure" target="_blank">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure</a><br>
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- Matt<br>
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From: "Tracy Jacobs" <<a href="mailto:kinetical@comcast.net" target="_blank">kinetical@comcast.net</a>><br>
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 5:51 pm<br>
Subject: [sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a
Ponzi Scheme?<br>
To: "Eddan Katz" <<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com" target="_blank">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>><br>
Cc: <<a href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org</a>><br>
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<br>
Sorry Eddan,<br>
<br>
I can give you fifty dollars for July when I next
see you or by <br>
paypal if you prefer. I don't understand the
politics here or why we <br>
are not deciding to pay some dues for rent.<br>
<br>
Tracy<br>
<br>
Tracy<br>
On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:<br>
<br>
> At the decision-making in-gathering last
week, it was decided not to <br>
> make a decision about existing Sudo Room
fund-raising income to be <br>
> used to pay rent at 2135 Broadway, at this
time. The rationale being <br>
> that we've had a hard enough time making a
decision about how to <br>
> make decisions that the process should
probably not be complicated <br>
> any further. I applaud our resilience of
deliberation, but then <br>
> there is the matter of July rent.<br>
><br>
> I would like to propose something not on
behalf of Sudo Room <br>
> officially, but that I hope will help us
accomplish our goals, at <br>
> this time. The rent due for July for the "Box
Office" and "Orange <br>
> Closet" amounts to $575. Since the "box
office" will be central to <br>
> our Art Murmur happening and the "orange
closet" continues to be <br>
> filled in our obsolete technology drive, I
wanted to ask the good <br>
> Sudo folk on this list to pitch in for that
amount. Tracy already <br>
> gave me $40 last week and Marc publicly
announced his willingness to <br>
> give me $60 on-list. I want to make sure that
everyone is clear <br>
> about the fact that if you would like to give
me money at any time, <br>
> you are most welcome to. I have accounts with
most mobile and online <br>
> payment providers, if that makes it any
easier.<br>
><br>
> But in terms of the $575 for July rent at
2135 Broadway, I wanted to <br>
> continue in our straw poll practice of
gauging how many people would <br>
> be willing to chip in. If you're willing to
go in together on rent <br>
> for the space in July, please reply to this
email with a +1 (to me <br>
> and/or the list). By 6pm on Friday (the start
of Art Murmur), I will <br>
> ask these voluntary contributors to give me
$575 divided by the <br>
> number of people willing to volunteer.
Needless to say - the higher <br>
> the number of people contributing, the lower
the contribution <br>
> amount. If the number of contributors results
in a sum too steep for <br>
> any volunteer in particular, the Art Murmur
event could be an <br>
> opportunity to draw in others to cover that
amount.<br>
><br>
> This contribution does not constitute
membership in Sudo Room, nor <br>
> does it enable special voting power, the use
of a shelf, or a free t- <br>
> shirt. I was hoping though to get some help
to display a running <br>
> list of the names of contributors against one
of the walls at 2135 <br>
> Broadway on Friday. If someone objects to the
use of this list to <br>
> solicit July rent for and/or to the display
of the names of this <br>
> group on the wall, please speak up and/or use
the anonymous Sudo <br>
> pages to voice your concerns.<br>
><br>
> -Eddan<br>
> [self-appointed exchequer]<br>
>
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