[SpaceProgram] Request: accountability frameworks for makerspace governance?

Sat May 28 13:11:07 CEST 2016

Cole: I have respect for you personally, and for your hard work on the
original Space GAMBIT effort. So I'm simply wanting to be clear and
accurate about what happened, in large part so that the record is straight
so that the same mistakes can be avoided.

Comments inline:

Cheers,

Paul

Paul Szymkowiak

On 28 May 2016 at 13:28, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Every iota of every fund was tracked. Im sure some accountant has it
> somewhere. Its why i didn't get all our projects funding(most didnt). The
> reporting requirements exceeded the value of the contract by an order of
> magnitude. In almost all cases each project bit off more than it could chew
> with funds avail.
>

It's a pity that communication with the original group of coauthors who all
worked hard on getting the grant application submitted and accepted was
unceremoniously and without any real explanation, cutoff, and that facts
such as these were never transparently shared with us.

> On the admin side, I got this grant funded under a friends lcc because no
> one else could get it done.
>

That's not how I recall the situation unfolding. To make the record
clearer, the original group of proposal authors (for clarity, that includes
myself) were working on the principal of shared ownership of the effort,
and were all looking at establishing a separate legal entity to manage the
funds. But that was a new process for most of us, and it was taking time to
work through the details.

It was strong opposition from Jerry's voice - as I recall, his lone voice -
that stopped that from progressing, based largely on his claims that 1) it
would take too long and (if I recall correctly, also cost too much) to set
up an appropriate legal entity, and 2) if we didn't immediately accept the
funds, we'd lose the grant. As a non-US citizen, I took that advice on good
faith.

In hindsight, neither claim turned out to be accurate. 1) It is apparently
relatively simple to establish a suitable legal entity of the type we would
have needed: once we found the right folks to talk to, a number of people
in the open-source and non-profit communities were happy to offer solid
advice and support. And 2) it took Jerry many elapsed weeks (months?) of
failed paperwork attempts to actually receive the funds, so clearly the
imminent loss of the funds was never a reality.

> I didn't have the balls to quit my job to run it. So I pushed it on the
> founder of our local makerspace.
>

If that's what actually occurred Cole, it would have been better that you
had been transparent about that at the time. It was never the intention of
the group of founders to have control rest with an individual, and if you
had proposed that it would still have been a secondary choice that the path
we'd all agreed on. My recollection is that Jerry was the predominant - if
not the only - voice offering Maui Makers as the organisation to accept
control of the funds, and pushing us all to go that path.

Given that you had close ties with Maui Makers, it would have been better
if you had made those conversations transparent to the whole governing
group, to help us to better assess conflict of interest.  And on a related
note, it would also have been useful to have had it made clear to the group
that Jerry and (if I understand correctly) one of his family members, were
the only directors and governing votes in Maui Makers, which was being
proposed to control the grant funds that we had all collectively worked
hard to win.

I understand Cole that you're a "get stuff done" kind of person, and I
admire that. But in hindsight the rushing of these key structural decisions
were unnecessary, and ultimately set the stage for killing what had huge
potential to be an awesome project.

Personally, I regret not doing better background research myself into
Jerry, Maui Makers, and understanding the realities of both US tax law and
ITAR regulations as they pertained to the grant. For example, I'd assumed
that based on my previous experience, Maui Makers would have been
incorporated as an association, with a number of voting members controlling
its interests.

For better or worse he didn't really want to do it, saw it as a burdensome
> thing.
>

That came as a later realisation, when Jerry came to view both his Tax and
ITAR obligations as incredibly burdensome (and I can imagine they would
have been) and with a significant level of personal risk. Prior to that,
Jerry was the most vocal proponent of going that path, against other
options preferred by the founding members.

At the time I was nervous that someone who had so little direct practical
involvement in the work leading up to the grant being won, was suddenly now
the loudest voice in the conversation, and offering to take charge of the
process to receive the funds. But I err'd on the side of assuming goodwill,
put the apparent rhetoric down to personality, and trusted in good faith
what was being proposed.

> Because of that they did not spend the money to create a lasting program.
>

That was unfortunate, because that had always been a key aim of the
founding members who won the grant.

> The whole thing was very complicated in the beginning,
>

I'm not sure what you mean by "the whole thing was very complicated in the
beginning". To my recollection "the whole thing" was always and remained at
a fairly consistent level of complication - especially administrative
complexity - , one I felt was appropriate for the government agency and
funding level involved. This was compounded to some extent by poor handling
of the process by Jerry.

> but once the contract was awarded to a sole proprietorship, the mojo flew
> out the door.
>

Yes: I sadly have to agree.

> Jerry felt like he had liability so he saw making decisions with no group
> input as necessary to his financial well being. Most likely scared of being
> sued by disgruntled makers who complain alot...
>

I agree that he did set himself up to have that liability. But I recall
this was driven in large part by a bugbear of Jerry's. Even before we
ultimately settled on Maui Makers receiving the funds, Jerry was a vocal
opponent of having a structure where too much control would rest with a
governing group or committee, and he opposed such structures when we were
working through how the group would operate. I agreed - as many of us did -
with a number of his concerns, however in my view he was unnecessarily
extreme in his views wanting a ultimate authority to rest with as few
people as possible.

To start with - while the grant funds were still to be received, and for
some time after that event - Jerry took the views and wishes of the
founding members into account, and would often allow himself to be
outvoted: however, over time he became first a benevolent dictator, then
sole oligarch. Then slowly - as opposition to his actions and inactions
mounted - simply stopped replying to emails.

Personally, I feel that Jerry's mishandling of the project and ongoing
demonstration of poor and misinformed choices wasted a huge amount of
effort by hackers and makers globally, much of the funding we'd worked had
to obtain, and ultimately damaged any goodwill the project started with:
both with the founders and with many of the folks who submitted
applications to obtain those funds.

In hindsight, I wish I'd followed my intuition that things were coalescing
in a bad way, and directly opposed many of those choice before they became
damaging.

> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Michael Turner <
> michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "I don't necessarily subscribe to Michael's statement "every iota of
>> effort on funded projects can be tracked, and every penny of spending can
>> be recorded"."
>>
>> Let me be literal: "Can be" is not "will be" or "must be". It's just the
>> capability. Used to the degree that's called for.
>>
>> And here's what that literal requirement came out of, more so than the
>> SpaceGAMBIT debacle: going to Kenya on a mission to set up a hacking-themed
>> non-profit. You know, Kenya? Where corruption is a way of life? The high
>> life, for the big winners of that game?
>>
>> I went to Kenya with an idea in mind: femtosatellites that can now be
>> built for around $100 in parts cost could be great educational tools for
>> getting kids excited about "bare-metal programming", instrumentation and
>> electronics generally. With only ~$10,000, I might supply 100 East African
>> schools with an actual spacecraft. (Stretching the definition of spacecraft
>> a little.) I even brought along a KickSat Sprite development kit to
>> demonstrate to people. I had plans to make 20 more kits back home, kits I'd
>> need put together myself, for $2,000 in fab costs and parts.
>>
>> But I also went to dip a toe in the water. What would it really be like,
>> trying to do that? I didn't want it to be one-time-only. I didn't want it
>> to be fire-and-forget. I wanted to build an organization there. I had
>> longer-term goals, going beyond these femtosats. And that meant figuring
>> out how to keep the money coming.
>>
>> Before I went, I spoke about my plans with a guy here in Tokyo who'd been
>> to Kenya several times in search of organizations to fund -- and in
>> particular, to learn how to responsibly spend the donations he was
>> collecting from members of his Tokyo society. I told him what I wanted to
>> do. He just looked at me, furrowed his brow, and said nothing.
>>
>> I came back from Kenya with quite a few stories. I told him these
>> stories. He nodded. He said, "I met with over 100 non-profits and
>> community-based organizations in Kenya. I found only five I felt I could
>> trust."
>>
>> This was demoralizing -- so far beyond my own merely-anecdotal evidence
>> that I couldn't deny what the major challenge was: becoming tightfisted,
>> suspicious, and controlling. It's not my nature. But I am software
>> engineer. (Or was.) Could it be automated to any degree?
>>
>> And there was hope, suddenly: I exchanged email with a Kenyan database
>> analyst and admin who'd done work for such organizations. She said the ones
>> that managed to not piss off and alienate donors -- the ones that could
>> survive and execute on a strategy that amounted to more than just finding
>> yet another one of those donors that's born every minute -- were the ones
>> that installed down-to-the-penny accounting systems and
>> down-to-the-half-hour accountability frameworks.
>>
>> I want a framework that CAN scale down to the resolution of a penny
>> because, in places where pennies matter, there are always people who will
>> try to rob you of them. And if you lose a significant amount of money to
>> internal corruption, enough to think of taking the theft to court, well,
>> good luck with that. Because then you're up against /external/ corruption.
>> The judge is always the thief's nephew's best friend's father-in-law's
>> uncle, or else can be had for a bribe.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Michael Turner
>> Executive Director
>> Project Persephone
>> K-1 bldg 3F
>> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
>> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
>> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140
>> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158
>> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682
>> turner at projectpersephone.org
>> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>
>> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward
>> together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>
>> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Paul Szymkowiak <paulszym at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Having been involved in the "hackerspace space program" and the
>>> subsequent "Space GAMBIT" projects being discussed here from the beginning,
>>> and also having been a moderator for previous interactions Michael Turner
>>> has had on mailing lists associated with these efforts, I'd like to add a
>>> few comments.
>>>
>>> Sam, I have also worked with a number of philanthropist groups, and I
>>> agree it is possible - for certain types of projects in certain contexts -
>>> to remain focused on an outcome and operate predominantly on trust.
>>> However, I would argue that this often relies on existing organisational
>>> structures and constitutions, either implicit or explicit, and that scaling
>>> this is possible but often problematic (in my experience, most cases fail).
>>>
>>> In the case of Space GAMBIT, we attempted to form a globally operating
>>> entity (or network of) based on a significant founding grant under a highly
>>> regulated set of industry rules and regulations. I think that makes this
>>> context significantly different and the associated problems much more
>>> wicked. If we're to contemplate further space-program efforts within the
>>> global maker & hacker hobbyist communities, we need to learn from the
>>> mistakes made here and find a better way forward.
>>>
>>> I think Michael's request to discuss accountability frameworks is a
>>> completely reasonable proposal, and in light of the serious failings in the
>>> execution of the Space GAMBIT effort, completely justified. In the past,
>>> I've critiqued Michael for personal attacks, but I'm not seeing that in
>>> this case: I'm seeing what I consider quite reasonable critique: and given
>>> that I'm one of the people that critique is directed at, I welcome it.
>>>
>>> From my perspective, Michael's request is an important and valid one in
>>> the light of Space GAMBIT, and so-far I haven't seen anything in the way of
>>> constructive response. Does that mean that no such accountability
>>> framework(s) exist in the hacker/ maker community, and that we're all
>>> operating on systems based on good will, trust and personal integrity?
>>>
>>> If not, I'd welcome folks sharing their experiences with suitable
>>> frameworks they've found workable. If so, I'd echo Michael's concern that
>>> when donors are contributing significant funds, good will, trust and
>>> personal integrity aren't enough to support such endeavours, and in the
>>> case of Space GAMBIT, failed horribly. It's completely justifiable and I
>>> think helpful, to look back on the mistake, critique it and learn from it
>>> so that we can avoid making it again.
>>>
>>> I don't necessarily subscribe to Michael's statement "every iota of
>>> effort on funded projects can be tracked, and every penny of spending can
>>> be recorded". There are various ways in which "every iota" and "every
>>> penny" might be problematic, however I think the general idea of tracking
>>> spending, revenue, effort, assets (including intellectual property) is
>>> completely reasonable - in fact, needed - and there should be ways to do
>>> this transparently and simply as a natural part of doing work on the
>>> project.
>>>
>>> In some ways, we're looking at how open communities can operate in a way
>>> true to our ethics and principles, within required legislative structures
>>> that are arguably based on dated western ideals of organisations/ legal
>>> entities. We need supporting structures and systems that allow us to
>>> operate legally and with manageable risk within the existing overarching
>>> system(s).
>>>
>>> If anything, Michael has been somewhat charitable in his critique. When
>>> Michael says "the dodge took the form of locating all authority over
>>> spending that $500,000 in a tiny handful of people who operated in a pretty
>>> opaque fashion", it would be more accurate to say that, once the funding
>>> landed, "in the hands of a single person".
>>>
>>> That was never the intention of the project, went against everything the
>>> group had specifically worked hard on over many months on the grant
>>> application, and ultimately destroyed the global collaborative nature of
>>> the project. Once that occurred, there seemed to be no way back from
>>> that fatal mistake, and that cast the actions of the individual involved in
>>> an increasingly negative light. It was easy to paint a picture alleging corruption,
>>> although I suspect it was predominantly a mix of overbearing control-freak
>>> personality and personal financial fear.
>>>
>>> This is an important community failure that I for one am keen to learn
>>> from, never repeat, and find better ways of undertaking in the future.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> Paul Szymkowiak
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27 May 2016 at 08:43, Sam Tobin <sam.tobin at nrsnz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Diminishing return guys/girls...
>>>>
>>>> I've worked on large ESA projects with massive overheads and scrutiny,
>>>> and on tiny garage-based projects. Accountability, workplans etc are
>>>> tools... and as always one needs the right tools for the task at hand.
>>>>
>>>> I've also worked for a philanthropist group, and (might be unique, but
>>>> maybe not)... they were mostly interested in outcomes, not details. Simply
>>>> put, the approach was to trust the person/group, check outcomes, repeat
>>>> with person/group at larger $ scale if good.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 27 May 2016 at 05:08, Michael Turner <
>>>> michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure that's been your experience, Matt. Subjectively, it has also
>>>>> been mine. I've chafed under accountability frameworks in almost every
>>>>> organization I've ever been in. They've always felt like a "massive,
>>>>> worthless drain."
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the thing, though: the ones that didn't have them, fell apart.
>>>>> Sometimes in very embarrassing ways. And one thing I've learned in trying
>>>>> to work with nonprofits in some parts of the world is that if you ask for
>>>>> accountability, and get only indignation in response, you're better off
>>>>> turning away and not bothering with those people ever again. They are on
>>>>> the take. I don't want to be like them. When potential donors say, "I need
>>>>> to look at how you spend money," I want to be in a position throw all the
>>>>> verification at them that they could possibly want, and more. They'll want
>>>>> to know that the level of parasitism in my organization is acceptably low.
>>>>> How can I blame them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Permit a biological metaphor: a fair amount of any creature's
>>>>> metabolism goes into supporting its immune system. It's a lot. It's a
>>>>> massive, worthless drain, actually. Until there's an infection, or a
>>>>> cluster of mutant cells that might turn into a malignant tumor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Michael Turner
>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>> Project Persephone
>>>>> K-1 bldg 3F
>>>>> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
>>>>> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
>>>>> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140
>>>>> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158
>>>>> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682
>>>>> turner at projectpersephone.org
>>>>> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward
>>>>> together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 1:26 AM, Silence Dogood <matt at nycresistor.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In my experience, working for a space agency, people who are
>>>>>> interested in "setting up a framework in which every iota of effort
>>>>>> on funded projects can be tracked, and every penny of spending can be
>>>>>> recorded."  are usually a massive worthless drain on the project and
>>>>>> very interested in inserting themselves in places they have no earthly
>>>>>> business being, just to justify their continued leeching upon the project.
>>>>>> And, more often then not, they cost more than they benefit anyone... not
>>>>>> just in fiduciary cost, but in time, complexity, and general nuisance
>>>>>> factor introduced into the day to day operational workflow of the group
>>>>>> working on the project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Matt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Michael Turner <
>>>>>> michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Matt, in my experience of hackerspaces, there's lots of bitter
>>>>>>> argument by people who aren't contributing much of anything, much of the
>>>>>>> time. I tried. Eventually, I walked. I contributed time, money, equipment,
>>>>>>> project ideas ... but ultimately, I walked. I felt pretty alienated by
>>>>>>> know-it-all attitudes and a kind of knee-jerk anti-authoritarianism that
>>>>>>> prefers unproductive chaos to reasonable order.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, again:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm interested in setting up a framework in which every iota of
>>>>>>> effort on funded projects can be tracked, and every penny of spending can
>>>>>>> be recorded. I'm interested in this because I'll need donors at some point,
>>>>>>> and donors typically require high transparency -- and results. I'd like to
>>>>>>> hear from makerspace leaders who've been successful at setting up such
>>>>>>> frameworks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Michael Turner
>>>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>>> Project Persephone
>>>>>>> K-1 bldg 3F
>>>>>>> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
>>>>>>> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
>>>>>>> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140
>>>>>>> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158
>>>>>>> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682
>>>>>>> turner at projectpersephone.org
>>>>>>> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking
>>>>>>> outward together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Silence Dogood <
>>>>>>> matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In open source, committers walk and everyone else talks... and is
>>>>>>>> promptly ignored.  If you think something can be done better, do it
>>>>>>>> better.  Leadership is an act of demonstrating a better path forward.
>>>>>>>> Decrying folks is not productive.  We know success when we see it,
>>>>>>>> everything else is just more of the same.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, stop bitching, and go make a difference.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Matt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Michael Turner <
>>>>>>>> michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "You have to admit, Michael, that nearly every email you've sent has
>>>>>>>>> been a slash and burn."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm destructive? What's more destructive: criticism of corruption,
>>>>>>>>> or corruption?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Michael Turner
>>>>>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>>>>> Project Persephone
>>>>>>>>> K-1 bldg 3F
>>>>>>>>> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
>>>>>>>>> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
>>>>>>>>> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140
>>>>>>>>> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158
>>>>>>>>> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682
>>>>>>>>> turner at projectpersephone.org
>>>>>>>>> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking
>>>>>>>>> outward together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 12:57 AM, David <ainut at hiwaay.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You have to admit, Michael, that nearly every email you've sent
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 05/18/2016 11:02 AM, cole santos wrote:has been a slash and
>>>>>>>>>> burn.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David Merchant
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lol you just don't get it troll
>>>>>>>>>> On May 18, 2016 1:03 AM, "Michael Turner" <
>>>>>>>>>> michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Mike no one wanted to work with you because of emails like you
>>>>>>>>>>> just sent."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I thought there should be more openness and oversight, and so
>>>>>>>>>>> nobody wanted to work with me? Interesting. I hadn't realized that openness
>>>>>>>>>>> and oversight were such unpopular things when spending taxpayers money.
>>>>>>>>>>> Unless, of course, you're a taxpayer. Are you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Since I wrote the grant, and got the Corp formed, and followed
>>>>>>>>>>> through until the project start, I think it's ok moraly."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I always assumed an education in philosophy would acquaint a
>>>>>>>>>>> person with the difference between morals and ethics. You learn something
>>>>>>>>>>> every day, I guess.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Turner
>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>>>>>>> Project Persephone
>>>>>>>>>>> K-1 bldg 3F
>>>>>>>>>>> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
>>>>>>>>>>> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140
>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158
>>>>>>>>>>> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682 <%2B81%20%2890%29%205203-8682>
>>>>>>>>>>> turner at projectpersephone.org
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking
>>>>>>>>>>> outward together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:48 AM, cole santos <
>>>>>>>>>>> cksantos85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike no one wanted to work with you because of emails like you
>>>>>>>>>>>> just sent. We are amateurs hacking it. Ps haesh was my project and it was
>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat a sweetheart deal. I had to choose between a project or a job.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Since I wrote the grant, and got the Corp formed, and followed through
>>>>>>>>>>>> until the project start, I think it's ok moraly. The other projects were
>>>>>>>>>>>> all random submissions. The principal aka jerry got overwhelmed and didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> even really want the job. I kinda forced it on him as I had a full time
>>>>>>>>>>>> job. Reality is not nearly as sensational as u wish.
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2016 9:07 PM, "Michael Turner" <
>>>>>>>>>>>> michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> First things first:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm interested in setting up a framework in which every iota
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of effort on funded projects can be tracked, and every penny of spending
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be recorded. I'm interested in this because I'll need donors at some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> point, and donors typically require high transparency -- and results. I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to hear from makerspace leaders who've been successful at setting up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> such frameworks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, about the "drama":
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:51 AM, gmc < <gmc at hackerspaces.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gmc at hackerspaces.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yay, drama. It's what hackers are best at! Bye bye mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly, some disillusionment and malaise has set in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hackerspaces.org? No blog update since just about two years
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting critique there, though:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://flux.hackerspaces.org/2014/01/19/diversity-and-the-hacker-scene/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drama will never go away permanently. Sometimes the only way
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to quell drama is with rules.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're going to have rules, you can try counting on ideas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like legitimizing all decisions through the rule of relying on consensus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (it always breaks down). Or on rules set by some "benevolent oligarchy"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (the "oligarchs" often get tired of arbitration and moderation, and go
>>>>>>>>>>>>> missing.) There are a variety of other dodges of the basic responsibility
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of collective governance, which is tedious and stressful compared to making
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the case of SpaceGAMBIT, the dodge took the form of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> locating all authority over spending that $500,000 in a tiny handful of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who operated in a pretty opaque fashion. In at least one case, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> opacity was defended by a SpaceGAMBIT principal in terms of DARPA's tight
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regulations about the release of information. When I asked for chapter and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> verse of those regulations, there was no answer. Wait: you're saying you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> got money from a government agency that doesn't tell taxpayers the basis on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which it allows awarded organizations to release information about how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxpayer money is being spent? Interesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the nature of the political differences over taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> money from DARPA, I can see a reason for not identifying winning teams when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the awards went out. It might have been defensible as a way to protect the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> awarded teams from harassment by those who were most loudly opposed to that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> money, and to what any hackerspace group taking that money symbolized to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem was: opacity could enable sweetheart deals. Waste.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lax controls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what do we have at the end?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Examples:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> $20,000 for an open source satellite mission design project
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that apparently never checked anything into a repo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The HAESH project, which, by some odd coincidence, was based
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Hawaii. (And apparently on Maui.)That was statistically unlikely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially when you consider that the main SpaceGAMBIT executive exulted at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one point about how great it was to work internationally, not just in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> America, and not just in his tiny home region of -- you guessed it --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawaii. Maui, in fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the thousands of dollars for the open source
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make-a-Space Kit? It had a laudable goal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The goal of this project is to complete the content--finalize
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire kit-- and then create a turn-key online template which a new or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing space can use to instantiate the online project management, assign
>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific tasks to board members, track accountability, and effectively
>>>>>>>>>>>>> communicate about the status of the activities as the space is launched and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> formed."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where is it? Dead links on the SpaceGAMBIT site. Try to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something back from the Wayback Machine? Unsuccessful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about that Asteroid Badge?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/CuriosityHacked/Learning/wiki/SpaceAsteroids
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's something in there that looks like a rough draft of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make-a-Space Kit, but certainly nothing that looks "finalized."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thousands of dollars spent on those two projects. And this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all there is to show for it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's what happens when there's no openness or accountability,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and when money can be spent without significant oversight by a small group
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, to repeat my request:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm interested in setting up a framework in which every iota
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of effort on funded projects can be tracked, and every penny of spending
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be recorded. I'm interested in this because I'll need donors at some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> point, and donors typically require high transparency -- and results. I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to hear from makerspace leaders who've been successful at setting up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> such frameworks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Turner
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Project Persephone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> K-1 bldg 3F
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140 <%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1140>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158 <%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1158>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682 <%2B81%20%2890%29%205203-8682>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> turner at projectpersephone.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> outward together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 May 2016 18:26:04 CEST, Michael Turner <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:55 AM, cole santos <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cksantos85 at gmail.com>cksantos85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually we took the DarPA money and the project was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great success. <http://Www.spacegambit.Com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Www.spacegambit.Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A great success for some people, I suppose.  In a certain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I pick a project at random.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.spacegambit.org/satstatsim/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.spacegambit.org/satstatsim/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funding: $20,000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SpaceGAMBIT claim: only open source projects will be funded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reality: well, ta! ke a look.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    <http://satstatsim.blogspot.jp/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://satstatsim.blogspot.jp/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excuse: "schedules slip". OK, but you can't check in any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code, anywhere?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   <https://code.google.com/archive/p/satstatsim/source>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://code.google.com/archive/p/satstatsim/source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least, that's the only repo I could find.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's nothing in it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was largely because of my concerns about openness, clear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communication, democratic process, and leadership accountability that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to have nothing further to do with SpaceGAMBIT. This was after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feeling enthusiastic about it and even defending it against what I thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was unfair criticism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really, I'd prefer to have been wrong in my suspicions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Turner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Project Persephone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> K-1 bldg 3F
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140 <%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1140>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158 <%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1158>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682 <%2B81%20%2890%29%205203-8682>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <turner at projectpersephone.org>turner at projectpersephone.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.projectpersephone.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking outward together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 16, 2016, Michael P Weber II <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michaelweberii at gmail.com>michaelweberii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 3:05 AM, Michael Turner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Whether intentional or not, the choice of watercress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > space-relevant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (1) Biosphere II saw the direct participation of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> late Roy Walford, MD, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > pioneer self-experimenter in CRON (calorie restriction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with optimal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > nutrition) as a strategy for life extension. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research interested the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Biosphere II organizers because, in feeding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long-duration space mission
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > participants, fewer calories eaten means, to a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first approximation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > less mass for the ecological life support system,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leading to lower mission
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > cost, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (2) Research into how CRON appears to increase lifespans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in part by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > reducing cancer risk -- a big issue in space travel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > radiation) reveals that it's more about protein
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restriction than about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > calorie restriction per se.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (3) Further research has suggested that it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically reduction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > methionine intake that is the main driver of life
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extension in CRON (hence,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > presumably, lower cancer risk);
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (4) High-glycine diets sop up excess methionine. (To be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure: methionine is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > an essential amino acid; glycine is not. But it seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that with methionine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > you can get too much of a good thing.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (5) Watercress is very high in glycine, quite low in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> methionine. Watercress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > might be ideal for offsetting the cancer risks from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space radiation in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > long-duration space missions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I think a good next step in such work would be to try to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> optimize watercress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > production in an aeroponic rather than a hydroponic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> style. Hydroponics is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > great, highly productive, but ... water is heavy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aeroponics can give you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > much of the benefit of hydroponics but with a fraction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the equipment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > mass. Aeroponics should be more adaptable to low-g and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> microgravity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > environments since it's not gravity-dependent -- it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > deposition of nutrient-enriched mist droplets on plant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roots. Aeroponics may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > have gotten its start from NASA funding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Michael Turner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Executive Director
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Project Persephone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > K-1 bldg 3F
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > turner at projectpersephone.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > <http://www.projectpersephone.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking outward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > together in the same direction." -- Antoine de
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saint-Exupéry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Michael Turner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you going to take over the list then?
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