[SpaceProgram] Request: accountability frameworks for makerspace governance?
David
ainut at hiwaay.net
Thu May 26 17:57:52 CEST 2016
You have to admit, Michael, that nearly every email you've sent
On 05/18/2016 11:02 AM, cole santos wrote:has been a slash and burn.
David Merchant
> Lol you just don't get it troll
>
> On May 18, 2016 1:03 AM, "Michael Turner"
> <michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com
> <mailto:michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> "Mike no one wanted to work with you because of emails like you
> just sent."
>
> I thought there should be more openness and oversight, and so
> nobody wanted to work with me? Interesting. I hadn't realized that
> openness and oversight were such unpopular things when spending
> taxpayers money. Unless, of course, you're a taxpayer. Are you?
>
> "Since I wrote the grant, and got the Corp formed, and followed
> through until the project start, I think it's ok moraly."
>
> I always assumed an education in philosophy would acquaint a
> person with the difference between morals and ethics. You learn
> something every day, I guess.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Michael Turner
> Executive Director
> Project Persephone
> K-1 bldg 3F
> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140 <tel:%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1140>
> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158 <tel:%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1158>
> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682 <tel:%2B81%20%2890%29%205203-8682>
> turner at projectpersephone.org <mailto:turner at projectpersephone.org>
> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>
> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking
> outward together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:48 AM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com
> <mailto:cksantos85 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Mike no one wanted to work with you because of emails like you
> just sent. We are amateurs hacking it. Ps haesh was my project
> and it was somewhat a sweetheart deal. I had to choose between
> a project or a job. Since I wrote the grant, and got the Corp
> formed, and followed through until the project start, I think
> it's ok moraly. The other projects were all random
> submissions. The principal aka jerry got overwhelmed and
> didn't even really want the job. I kinda forced it on him as I
> had a full time job. Reality is not nearly as sensational as u
> wish.
>
> On May 16, 2016 9:07 PM, "Michael Turner"
> <michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com
> <mailto:michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> First things first:
>
> I'm interested in setting up a framework in which every
> iota of effort on funded projects can be tracked, and
> every penny of spending can be recorded. I'm interested in
> this because I'll need donors at some point, and donors
> typically require high transparency -- and results. I'd
> like to hear from makerspace leaders who've been
> successful at setting up such frameworks.
>
> Now, about the "drama":
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:51 AM, gmc <gmc at hackerspaces.org
> <mailto:gmc at hackerspaces.org>> wrote:
>
> Yay, drama. It's what hackers are best at! Bye bye
> mailing list.
>
>
> Clearly, some disillusionment and malaise has set in.
>
> Hackerspaces.org? No blog update since just about two
> years ago.
>
> Interesting critique there, though:
>
> https://flux.hackerspaces.org/2014/01/19/diversity-and-the-hacker-scene/
>
> Drama will never go away permanently. Sometimes the only
> way to quell drama is with rules.
>
> If you're going to have rules, you can try counting on
> ideas like legitimizing all decisions through the rule of
> relying on consensus (it always breaks down). Or on rules
> set by some "benevolent oligarchy" (the "oligarchs" often
> get tired of arbitration and moderation, and go missing.)
> There are a variety of other dodges of the basic
> responsibility of collective governance, which is tedious
> and stressful compared to making things.
>
> In the case of SpaceGAMBIT, the dodge took the form of
> locating all authority over spending that $500,000 in a
> tiny handful of people who operated in a pretty opaque
> fashion. In at least one case, the opacity was defended by
> a SpaceGAMBIT principal in terms of DARPA's tight
> regulations about the release of information. When I asked
> for chapter and verse of those regulations, there was no
> answer. Wait: you're saying you got money from a
> government agency that doesn't tell taxpayers the basis on
> which it allows awarded organizations to release
> information about how taxpayer money is being spent?
> Interesting.
>
> Given the nature of the political differences over taking
> money from DARPA, I can see a reason for not identifying
> winning teams when the awards went out. It might have been
> defensible as a way to protect the awarded teams from
> harassment by those who were most loudly opposed to that
> money, and to what any hackerspace group taking that money
> symbolized to them.
>
> The problem was: opacity could enable sweetheart deals.
> Waste. Lax controls.
>
> And what do we have at the end?
>
> Examples:
>
> $20,000 for an open source satellite mission design
> project that apparently never checked anything into a repo.
>
> The HAESH project, which, by some odd coincidence, was
> based in Hawaii. (And apparently on Maui.)That was
> statistically unlikely, especially when you consider that
> the main SpaceGAMBIT executive exulted at one point about
> how great it was to work internationally, not just in
> America, and not just in his tiny home region of -- you
> guessed it -- Hawaii. Maui, in fact.
>
> How about the thousands of dollars for the open source
> Make-a-Space Kit? It had a laudable goal.
>
> "The goal of this project is to complete the
> content--finalize the entire kit-- and then create a
> turn-key online template which a new or existing space can
> use to instantiate the online project management, assign
> specific tasks to board members, track accountability, and
> effectively communicate about the status of the activities
> as the space is launched and formed."
>
> Where is it? Dead links on the SpaceGAMBIT site. Try to
> get something back from the Wayback Machine? Unsuccessful.
>
> How about that Asteroid Badge?
>
> https://github.com/CuriosityHacked/Learning/wiki/SpaceAsteroids
>
> There's something in there that looks like a rough draft
> of Make-a-Space Kit, but certainly nothing that looks
> "finalized."
>
> Thousands of dollars spent on those two projects. And this
> is all there is to show for it?
>
> It's what happens when there's no openness or
> accountability, and when money can be spent without
> significant oversight by a small group of people.
>
> So, to repeat my request:
>
> I'm interested in setting up a framework in which every
> iota of effort on funded projects can be tracked, and
> every penny of spending can be recorded. I'm interested in
> this because I'll need donors at some point, and donors
> typically require high transparency -- and results. I'd
> like to hear from makerspace leaders who've been
> successful at setting up such frameworks.
>
>
> Regards,
> Michael Turner
> Executive Director
> Project Persephone
> K-1 bldg 3F
> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140 <tel:%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1140>
> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158 <tel:%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1158>
> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682 <tel:%2B81%20%2890%29%205203-8682>
> turner at projectpersephone.org
> <mailto:turner at projectpersephone.org>
> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>
> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in
> looking outward together in the same direction." --
> Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>
>
> On 16 May 2016 18:26:04 CEST, Michael Turner
> <michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com
> <mailto:michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:55 AM, cole santos
> <cksantos85 at gmail.com
> <mailto:cksantos85 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Actually we took the DarPA money and the
> project was a great success.
> Www.spacegambit.Com <http://Www.spacegambit.Com>
>
>
> A great success for some people, I suppose. In a
> certain sense.
>
> I pick a project at random.
>
> http://www.spacegambit.org/satstatsim/
>
> Funding: $20,000
>
> SpaceGAMBIT claim: only open source projects will
> be funded.
>
> Reality: well, ta! ke a look.
>
> http://satstatsim.blogspot.jp/
>
> Excuse: "schedules slip". OK, but you can't check
> in any code, anywhere?
>
> https://code.google.com/archive/p/satstatsim/source
>
> At least, that's the only repo I could find.
>
> There's nothing in it.
>
> It was largely because of my concerns about
> openness, clear communication, democratic process,
> and leadership accountability that I decided to
> have nothing further to do with SpaceGAMBIT. This
> was after feeling enthusiastic about it and even
> defending it against what I thought was unfair
> criticism.
>
> Really, I'd prefer to have been wrong in my
> suspicions.
>
>
> Regards,
> Michael Turner
> Executive Director
> Project Persephone
> K-1 bldg 3F
> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140
> <tel:%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1140>
> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158
> <tel:%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1158>
> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682
> <tel:%2B81%20%2890%29%205203-8682>
> turner at projectpersephone.org
> <mailto:turner at projectpersephone.org>
> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>
> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other,
> but in looking outward together in the same
> direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016, Michael P Weber II
> <michaelweberii at gmail.com
> <mailto:michaelweberii at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 3:05 AM, Michael
> Turner
> <michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Whether intentional or not, the choice
> of watercress could be very
> > space-relevant.
> >
> > (1) Biosphere II saw the direct
> participation of the late Roy Walford, MD, a
> > pioneer self-experimenter in CRON
> (calorie restriction with optimal
> > nutrition) as a strategy for life
> extension. This research interested the
> > Biosphere II organizers because, in
> feeding long-duration space mission
> > participants, fewer calories eaten
> means, to a good first approximation,
> > less mass for the ecological life
> support system, leading to lower mission
> > cost, etc.
> >
> > (2) Research into how CRON appears to
> increase lifespans (in part by
> > reducing cancer risk -- a big issue in
> space travel because of space
> > radiation) reveals that it's more about
> protein restriction than about
> > calorie restriction per se.
> >
> > (3) Further research has suggested that
> it's specifically reduction of
> > methionine intake that is the main
> driver of life extension in CRON (hence,
> > presumably, lower cancer risk);
> >
> > (4) High-glycine diets sop up excess
> methionine. (To be sure: methionine is
> > an essential amino acid; glycine is not.
> But it seems that with methionine,
> > you can get too much of a good thing.)
> >
> > (5) Watercress is very high in glycine,
> quite low in methionine. Watercress
> > might be ideal for offsetting the cancer
> risks from space radiation in
> > long-duration space missions.
> >
> > I think a good next step in such work
> would be to try to optimize watercress
> > production in an aeroponic rather than a
> hydroponic style. Hydroponics is
> > great, highly productive, but ... water
> is heavy. Aeroponics can give you
> > much of the benefit of hydroponics but
> with a fraction of the equipment
> > mass. Aeroponics should be more
> adaptable to low-g and microgravity
> > environments since it's not
> gravity-dependent -- it's basically just the
> > deposition of nutrient-enriched mist
> droplets on plant roots. Aeroponics may
> > have gotten its start from NASA funding.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Michael Turner
> > Executive Director
> > Project Persephone
> > K-1 bldg 3F
> > 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
> > Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
> > Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140
> <tel:%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1140>
> > Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158
> <tel:%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1158>
> > Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682
> <tel:%2B81%20%2890%29%205203-8682>
> > turner at projectpersephone.org
> > http://www.projectpersephone.org/
> >
> > "Love does not consist in gazing at each
> other, but in looking outward
> > together in the same direction." --
> Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
> >
> > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Michael
> Turner
>
>
> Michael,
>
> Are you going to take over the list then?
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