[SpaceProgram] sea vs spacesteading Re: SpaceProgram Digest, Vol 13, Issue 68

Thu Sep 27 21:22:35 CEST 2012

Talking about where to put this diving bell thing, made me recollect an
article I wrote after the June Seasteading conference. It's a quick
fascinating read.

http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/gabrielrothblatt20120609

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM, <
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>    1. Re: sea vs. spacesteading (cole santos)
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> From: cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com>
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> I watched the video. OMG that is dangerous. It would be insanely easy to
> get an air embolism on your way up. You should never do any underwater
> experimenting until you have rescue diver cert at minimum. Free diving to a
> pressuized bubble is just plain stupid. Scuba diving to and from is a must.
> Unless you are only 2 or 3 feet down.
> On Sep 27, 2012 7:11 AM, "cole santos" <cksantos85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There is a diving bell in the big island here in hawaii.
> > On Sep 27, 2012 7:08 AM, "Lee von Kraus" <leevonk at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I actually won a small grant ($1000) about a year ago to build a
> >> minimalist submersible habitat. It was going to be a transparent diving
> >> bell type thing made out of a solid acrylic dome, filled with air and
> tied
> >> to some anchors. Then I saw that someone had already build something
> >> similar using a transparent tarp for the dome with a net over it that
> was
> >> tied to anchors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phj3lLEtWlk).
> >>
> >> I still have the gear I bought to build it but I never was able to find
> a
> >> suitable place to put it (needs big, big anchors). The gear includes a
> >> thick transparent tarp, large cargo net, and a scuba 'hookah', surface
> >> supply setup (to aid in setup and swimming down to the base). I live in
> >> Brooklyn New York if anyone knows a good location (most are too
> polluted or
> >> have heavy boat traffic) or would want to help out in installing it
> >> somewhere. In any case the general concept could be used to make a
> >> prototype to do tests with (isolation, power generation, etc). If
> someone
> >> has a good location near them I could maybe bring the gear and we could
> set
> >> it up there. Alternatively we could contact the 'bubble room' people (in
> >> the video)
> >>
> >>
> >> Lee
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:59 PM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> I love otec, ive seen it in action on the big island. when combined
> with
> >>> a thermal vent, or geothermal well it could be much more efficient.
> >>> On Sep 27, 2012 1:59 AM, "Pastor Gabe" <gabeterasem at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Glad  to see this discussion and wanted to throw a couple cents in...
> >>>>
> >>>> There is a lot of interest in the seasteading community in space.
> There
> >>>> are I would say three factions of the movement: capitalists,
> libertarians
> >>>> and spacers. Someone noted that the there are many ties between sea
> and
> >>>> space but technology the least of them, and that in some ways is true.
> >>>> Especially when you look at the converted oil rig architecture, there
> is
> >>>> little practical application of that tech in space. Someone else
> however
> >>>> noted the link between underwater and space, which is exactly where I
> and
> >>>> the spacer faction of seasteaders want to take this. The political and
> >>>> ecological work done by seasteaders is also useful, but by it's
> nature I
> >>>> think this group is really focused on the tech.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is my vision for shared progress:
> >>>>
> >>>> An ocean floor/submarine habitat, powered solely by OTEC, thermal vent
> >>>> or reactor simulates the conditions of space as best and as cheaply as
> >>>> possible, including the psychological isolation issues. Submerging a
> >>>> habitat is virtually free compared to placing it in orbit. Space
> actually
> >>>> has an advantage of allowing us to use inflatable technology that is
> not
> >>>> practical submarine. An argument I made during the 100yss conference
> is
> >>>> that seasteading is a sandbox for spacesteading. Sure some things
> will need
> >>>> to be adapted, but there is a lot we can test and in doing so develop
> the
> >>>> foundation and confidence that there is a commercially viable
> interest in a
> >>>> space industry. I ask people to look at America's founding, with large
> >>>> corporations not forming or coming onboard until small communities
> put it
> >>>> all on the line to make the move to the new frontier. The oceans may
> not be
> >>>> our destination, but it will be on our journey.
> >>>>
> >>>> I also want to applaud everyone's efforts here. I hope and believe
> that
> >>>> it will be people like you that make dreams of space travel/ living a
> >>>> reality.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Pastor Gabe
> >>>> Terasem Movement Transreligion - 321-409-1580
> >>>> http://terasemian.wordpress.com/
> >>>> http://www.meetup.com/Terasem
> >>>> http://terasemfaith.net/
> >>>> Exciting news: The Singularity Is Near, the movie, has been released!!
> >>>>
> >>>> Terasem is proud to announce the film adaptation of Ray Kurzweil?s
> >>>> book, The Singularity Is Near, produced by Martine Rothblatt and
> Terasem
> >>>> Motion InfoCulture, is now available for download and/or hard-copy
> purchase
> >>>> at
> >>>>
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> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:54:11 -0400
> From: Lee von Kraus <leevonk at gmail.com>
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> I'm not a member of any hacker spaces, I have everything I need in my
> living room or at a workspace at the lab where I work. Not going to the
> Maker Faire, I actually just retracted a presentation cause of some
> confusion as to availability of audio-visual equipment/outlets.
>
> The 'dangerous' part of the underwater bell is the other reason I didn't go
> through with it. I initially wanted to let people sleep down there but then
> I realized it would be too easy for them to die on the way up and sue me.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Jerry Isdale <jerry at mauimakers.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hmm, eastern us coast does have a lot of nasty water... which could
> > simulate more noxious alien atmosphere
> > but probably not what we'd want to do for a first step sea stead.
> >
> > Keep this in mind as we go forward. Are you a member of NYC Resistor,
> > Alpha One Labs or other NYC area hackerspace?
> > (Are you going to World Maker Faire this weekend?  I SOOOO wish I could
> be
> > there!)
> >
> >  Jerry Isdale
> > http://MauiMakers.com
> > http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/
> >
> > On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Lee von Kraus wrote:
> >
> > I actually won a small grant ($1000) about a year ago to build a
> > minimalist submersible habitat. It was going to be a transparent diving
> > bell type thing made out of a solid acrylic dome, filled with air and
> tied
> > to some anchors. Then I saw that someone had already build something
> > similar using a transparent tarp for the dome with a net over it that was
> > tied to anchors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phj3lLEtWlk).
> >
> > I still have the gear I bought to build it but I never was able to find a
> > suitable place to put it (needs big, big anchors). The gear includes a
> > thick transparent tarp, large cargo net, and a scuba 'hookah', surface
> > supply setup (to aid in setup and swimming down to the base). I live in
> > Brooklyn New York if anyone knows a good location (most are too polluted
> or
> > have heavy boat traffic) or would want to help out in installing it
> > somewhere. In any case the general concept could be used to make a
> > prototype to do tests with (isolation, power generation, etc). If someone
> > has a good location near them I could maybe bring the gear and we could
> set
> > it up there. Alternatively we could contact the 'bubble room' people (in
> > the video)
> >
> >
> > Lee
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:59 PM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I love otec, ive seen it in action on the big island. when combined with
> >> a thermal vent, or geothermal well it could be much more efficient.
> >> On Sep 27, 2012 1:59 AM, "Pastor Gabe" <gabeterasem at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Glad  to see this discussion and wanted to throw a couple cents in...
> >>>
> >>> There is a lot of interest in the seasteading community in space. There
> >>> are I would say three factions of the movement: capitalists,
> libertarians
> >>> and spacers. Someone noted that the there are many ties between sea and
> >>> space but technology the least of them, and that in some ways is true.
> >>> Especially when you look at the converted oil rig architecture, there
> is
> >>> little practical application of that tech in space. Someone else
> however
> >>> noted the link between underwater and space, which is exactly where I
> and
> >>> the spacer faction of seasteaders want to take this. The political and
> >>> ecological work done by seasteaders is also useful, but by it's nature
> I
> >>> think this group is really focused on the tech.
> >>>
> >>> Here is my vision for shared progress:
> >>>
> >>> An ocean floor/submarine habitat, powered solely by OTEC, thermal vent
> >>> or reactor simulates the conditions of space as best and as cheaply as
> >>> possible, including the psychological isolation issues. Submerging a
> >>> habitat is virtually free compared to placing it in orbit. Space
> actually
> >>> has an advantage of allowing us to use inflatable technology that is
> not
> >>> practical submarine. An argument I made during the 100yss conference is
> >>> that seasteading is a sandbox for spacesteading. Sure some things will
> need
> >>> to be adapted, but there is a lot we can test and in doing so develop
> the
> >>> foundation and confidence that there is a commercially viable interest
> in a
> >>> space industry. I ask people to look at America's founding, with large
> >>> corporations not forming or coming onboard until small communities put
> it
> >>> all on the line to make the move to the new frontier. The oceans may
> not be
> >>> our destination, but it will be on our journey.
> >>>
> >>> I also want to applaud everyone's efforts here. I hope and believe that
> >>> it will be people like you that make dreams of space travel/ living a
> >>> reality.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Pastor Gabe
> >>> Terasem Movement Transreligion - 321-409-1580
> >>> http://terasemian.wordpress.com/
> >>> http://www.meetup.com/Terasem
> >>> http://terasemfaith.net/
> >>> Exciting news: The Singularity Is Near, the movie, has been released!!
> >>>
> >>> Terasem is proud to announce the film adaptation of Ray Kurzweil?s
> book,
> >>> The Singularity Is Near, produced by Martine Rothblatt and Terasem
> Motion
> >>> InfoCulture, is now available for download and/or hard-copy purchase at
> >>>
> http://hosted.verticalresponse.com/163941/5572d4f118/159000603/c2bedc3ff0/
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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Pastor Gabe
Terasem Movement Transreligion - 321-409-1580
http://terasemian.wordpress.com/
http://www.meetup.com/Terasem
http://terasemfaith.net/
Exciting news: The Singularity Is Near, the movie, has been released!!

Terasem is proud to announce the film adaptation of Ray Kurzweil’s book,
The Singularity Is Near, produced by Martine Rothblatt and Terasem Motion
InfoCulture, is now available for download and/or hard-copy purchase at
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