<div>Talking about where to put this diving bell thing, made me recollect an article I wrote after the June Seasteading conference. It's a quick fascinating read.</div><div><br></div><a href="http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/gabrielrothblatt20120609">http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/gabrielrothblatt20120609</a><br>
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 07:17:58 -1000<br>
From: cole santos <<a href="mailto:cksantos85@gmail.com">cksantos85@gmail.com</a>><br>
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I watched the video. OMG that is dangerous. It would be insanely easy to<br>
get an air embolism on your way up. You should never do any underwater<br>
experimenting until you have rescue diver cert at minimum. Free diving to a<br>
pressuized bubble is just plain stupid. Scuba diving to and from is a must.<br>
Unless you are only 2 or 3 feet down.<br>
On Sep 27, 2012 7:11 AM, "cole santos" <<a href="mailto:cksantos85@gmail.com">cksantos85@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> There is a diving bell in the big island here in hawaii.<br>
> On Sep 27, 2012 7:08 AM, "Lee von Kraus" <<a href="mailto:leevonk@gmail.com">leevonk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I actually won a small grant ($1000) about a year ago to build a<br>
>> minimalist submersible habitat. It was going to be a transparent diving<br>
>> bell type thing made out of a solid acrylic dome, filled with air and tied<br>
>> to some anchors. Then I saw that someone had already build something<br>
>> similar using a transparent tarp for the dome with a net over it that was<br>
>> tied to anchors (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phj3lLEtWlk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phj3lLEtWlk</a>).<br>
>><br>
>> I still have the gear I bought to build it but I never was able to find a<br>
>> suitable place to put it (needs big, big anchors). The gear includes a<br>
>> thick transparent tarp, large cargo net, and a scuba 'hookah', surface<br>
>> supply setup (to aid in setup and swimming down to the base). I live in<br>
>> Brooklyn New York if anyone knows a good location (most are too polluted or<br>
>> have heavy boat traffic) or would want to help out in installing it<br>
>> somewhere. In any case the general concept could be used to make a<br>
>> prototype to do tests with (isolation, power generation, etc). If someone<br>
>> has a good location near them I could maybe bring the gear and we could set<br>
>> it up there. Alternatively we could contact the 'bubble room' people (in<br>
>> the video)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Lee<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:59 PM, cole santos <<a href="mailto:cksantos85@gmail.com">cksantos85@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> I love otec, ive seen it in action on the big island. when combined with<br>
>>> a thermal vent, or geothermal well it could be much more efficient.<br>
>>> On Sep 27, 2012 1:59 AM, "Pastor Gabe" <<a href="mailto:gabeterasem@gmail.com">gabeterasem@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Glad to see this discussion and wanted to throw a couple cents in...<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> There is a lot of interest in the seasteading community in space. There<br>
>>>> are I would say three factions of the movement: capitalists, libertarians<br>
>>>> and spacers. Someone noted that the there are many ties between sea and<br>
>>>> space but technology the least of them, and that in some ways is true.<br>
>>>> Especially when you look at the converted oil rig architecture, there is<br>
>>>> little practical application of that tech in space. Someone else however<br>
>>>> noted the link between underwater and space, which is exactly where I and<br>
>>>> the spacer faction of seasteaders want to take this. The political and<br>
>>>> ecological work done by seasteaders is also useful, but by it's nature I<br>
>>>> think this group is really focused on the tech.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Here is my vision for shared progress:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> An ocean floor/submarine habitat, powered solely by OTEC, thermal vent<br>
>>>> or reactor simulates the conditions of space as best and as cheaply as<br>
>>>> possible, including the psychological isolation issues. Submerging a<br>
>>>> habitat is virtually free compared to placing it in orbit. Space actually<br>
>>>> has an advantage of allowing us to use inflatable technology that is not<br>
>>>> practical submarine. An argument I made during the 100yss conference is<br>
>>>> that seasteading is a sandbox for spacesteading. Sure some things will need<br>
>>>> to be adapted, but there is a lot we can test and in doing so develop the<br>
>>>> foundation and confidence that there is a commercially viable interest in a<br>
>>>> space industry. I ask people to look at America's founding, with large<br>
>>>> corporations not forming or coming onboard until small communities put it<br>
>>>> all on the line to make the move to the new frontier. The oceans may not be<br>
>>>> our destination, but it will be on our journey.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I also want to applaud everyone's efforts here. I hope and believe that<br>
>>>> it will be people like you that make dreams of space travel/ living a<br>
>>>> reality.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> Pastor Gabe<br>
>>>> Terasem Movement Transreligion - <a href="tel:321-409-1580" value="+13214091580">321-409-1580</a><br>
>>>> <a href="http://terasemian.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">http://terasemian.wordpress.com/</a><br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.meetup.com/Terasem" target="_blank">http://www.meetup.com/Terasem</a><br>
>>>> <a href="http://terasemfaith.net/" target="_blank">http://terasemfaith.net/</a><br>
>>>> Exciting news: The Singularity Is Near, the movie, has been released!!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Terasem is proud to announce the film adaptation of Ray Kurzweil?s<br>
>>>> book, The Singularity Is Near, produced by Martine Rothblatt and Terasem<br>
>>>> Motion InfoCulture, is now available for download and/or hard-copy purchase<br>
>>>> at<br>
>>>> <a href="http://hosted.verticalresponse.com/163941/5572d4f118/159000603/c2bedc3ff0/" target="_blank">http://hosted.verticalresponse.com/163941/5572d4f118/159000603/c2bedc3ff0/</a><br>
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From: Lee von Kraus <<a href="mailto:leevonk@gmail.com">leevonk@gmail.com</a>><br>
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I'm not a member of any hacker spaces, I have everything I need in my<br>
living room or at a workspace at the lab where I work. Not going to the<br>
Maker Faire, I actually just retracted a presentation cause of some<br>
confusion as to availability of audio-visual equipment/outlets.<br>
<br>
The 'dangerous' part of the underwater bell is the other reason I didn't go<br>
through with it. I initially wanted to let people sleep down there but then<br>
I realized it would be too easy for them to die on the way up and sue me.<br>
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On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Jerry Isdale <<a href="mailto:jerry@mauimakers.com">jerry@mauimakers.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hmm, eastern us coast does have a lot of nasty water... which could<br>
> simulate more noxious alien atmosphere<br>
> but probably not what we'd want to do for a first step sea stead.<br>
><br>
> Keep this in mind as we go forward. Are you a member of NYC Resistor,<br>
> Alpha One Labs or other NYC area hackerspace?<br>
> (Are you going to World Maker Faire this weekend? I SOOOO wish I could be<br>
> there!)<br>
><br>
> Jerry Isdale<br>
> <a href="http://MauiMakers.com" target="_blank">http://MauiMakers.com</a><br>
> <a href="http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/" target="_blank">http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/</a><br>
><br>
> On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Lee von Kraus wrote:<br>
><br>
> I actually won a small grant ($1000) about a year ago to build a<br>
> minimalist submersible habitat. It was going to be a transparent diving<br>
> bell type thing made out of a solid acrylic dome, filled with air and tied<br>
> to some anchors. Then I saw that someone had already build something<br>
> similar using a transparent tarp for the dome with a net over it that was<br>
> tied to anchors (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phj3lLEtWlk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phj3lLEtWlk</a>).<br>
><br>
> I still have the gear I bought to build it but I never was able to find a<br>
> suitable place to put it (needs big, big anchors). The gear includes a<br>
> thick transparent tarp, large cargo net, and a scuba 'hookah', surface<br>
> supply setup (to aid in setup and swimming down to the base). I live in<br>
> Brooklyn New York if anyone knows a good location (most are too polluted or<br>
> have heavy boat traffic) or would want to help out in installing it<br>
> somewhere. In any case the general concept could be used to make a<br>
> prototype to do tests with (isolation, power generation, etc). If someone<br>
> has a good location near them I could maybe bring the gear and we could set<br>
> it up there. Alternatively we could contact the 'bubble room' people (in<br>
> the video)<br>
><br>
><br>
> Lee<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:59 PM, cole santos <<a href="mailto:cksantos85@gmail.com">cksantos85@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I love otec, ive seen it in action on the big island. when combined with<br>
>> a thermal vent, or geothermal well it could be much more efficient.<br>
>> On Sep 27, 2012 1:59 AM, "Pastor Gabe" <<a href="mailto:gabeterasem@gmail.com">gabeterasem@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Glad to see this discussion and wanted to throw a couple cents in...<br>
>>><br>
>>> There is a lot of interest in the seasteading community in space. There<br>
>>> are I would say three factions of the movement: capitalists, libertarians<br>
>>> and spacers. Someone noted that the there are many ties between sea and<br>
>>> space but technology the least of them, and that in some ways is true.<br>
>>> Especially when you look at the converted oil rig architecture, there is<br>
>>> little practical application of that tech in space. Someone else however<br>
>>> noted the link between underwater and space, which is exactly where I and<br>
>>> the spacer faction of seasteaders want to take this. The political and<br>
>>> ecological work done by seasteaders is also useful, but by it's nature I<br>
>>> think this group is really focused on the tech.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Here is my vision for shared progress:<br>
>>><br>
>>> An ocean floor/submarine habitat, powered solely by OTEC, thermal vent<br>
>>> or reactor simulates the conditions of space as best and as cheaply as<br>
>>> possible, including the psychological isolation issues. Submerging a<br>
>>> habitat is virtually free compared to placing it in orbit. Space actually<br>
>>> has an advantage of allowing us to use inflatable technology that is not<br>
>>> practical submarine. An argument I made during the 100yss conference is<br>
>>> that seasteading is a sandbox for spacesteading. Sure some things will need<br>
>>> to be adapted, but there is a lot we can test and in doing so develop the<br>
>>> foundation and confidence that there is a commercially viable interest in a<br>
>>> space industry. I ask people to look at America's founding, with large<br>
>>> corporations not forming or coming onboard until small communities put it<br>
>>> all on the line to make the move to the new frontier. The oceans may not be<br>
>>> our destination, but it will be on our journey.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I also want to applaud everyone's efforts here. I hope and believe that<br>
>>> it will be people like you that make dreams of space travel/ living a<br>
>>> reality.<br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Pastor Gabe<br>
>>> Terasem Movement Transreligion - <a href="tel:321-409-1580" value="+13214091580">321-409-1580</a><br>
>>> <a href="http://terasemian.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">http://terasemian.wordpress.com/</a><br>
>>> <a href="http://www.meetup.com/Terasem" target="_blank">http://www.meetup.com/Terasem</a><br>
>>> <a href="http://terasemfaith.net/" target="_blank">http://terasemfaith.net/</a><br>
>>> Exciting news: The Singularity Is Near, the movie, has been released!!<br>
>>><br>
>>> Terasem is proud to announce the film adaptation of Ray Kurzweil?s book,<br>
>>> The Singularity Is Near, produced by Martine Rothblatt and Terasem Motion<br>
>>> InfoCulture, is now available for download and/or hard-copy purchase at<br>
>>> <a href="http://hosted.verticalresponse.com/163941/5572d4f118/159000603/c2bedc3ff0/" target="_blank">http://hosted.verticalresponse.com/163941/5572d4f118/159000603/c2bedc3ff0/</a><br>
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