[SpaceProgram] HSP Proposal: feedback requested

[cole santos]

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On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 10:18 AM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Here is another potential cash source. Its a NASA grant for technology
> development. I think we should go for it regardless of the outcome
> with DARPA.
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:56 AM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Do opensource property licences apply in the new first to file
>> environment? The law has just changed and it is a profound change I
>> wonder if it has had an affect on open source licence.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Luke Weston <reindeerflotilla at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Perhaps it would be better if the IP embodied in projects which may be
>>> contributed by hackerspaces are released under open-source
>>> intellectual property licenses, such as GPLv2 or GPLv3 or TAPR OHL or
>>> CERN OHL or Creative Commons, Free Documentation License, etc.
>>>
>>> I guess most hackerspaces would likely want to follow down this path,
>>> but I guess it's ultimately a decision which is up to the people
>>> making the IP.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>  Luke
>>>
>>> This means that it's open, but it's protected against somebody ripping
>>> it off and forking it into a closed, proprietary product and selling
>>> it without keeping their version of it open, if you know what I mean.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:25 AM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Why bother explicitly stating something that is not really true. If
>>>> you have a patent, then you do, if dont, then you dont. If you are
>>>> utilizing trade secret then you would need to have people sign non
>>>> disclosure statements, etc. Anyway, it goes against the hackerspace
>>>> stated goals that we are opensource... Plus every project that
>>>> receives funding by the Hackerspace Space Program would need to
>>>> publicly document as terms of the funding. Given that we are a file
>>>> first country now, stating that you own an idea without a patent is
>>>> silly.
>>>>
>>>> Unless you are talking about hardware that was purchased by the
>>>> hackerspace/individual. If you recive funding from the space program
>>>> ownership of hardware would be at the discretion of the voting
>>>> members.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:40 AM,  <psytek at alphaonelabs.com> wrote:
>>>>> I'm not sure if it is in there, can we explicitly state that the
>>>>> projects contributed by the individual Hackerspaces are owned by the
>>>>> Hackerspace or person contributing them?  Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 5:17 AM, Alex Cureton-Griffiths <alexcg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your feedback so far. Good points all around. I've
>>>>>> integrated some of your comments and will continue to do so until end
>>>>>> of tomorrow (Wed)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After that it's just a case of tidying it up and sending it off
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Alex Cureton-Griffiths
>>>>>> <alexcg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> We have to submit on Thu at the latest. I'm hoping we can get it
>>>>>>> finished by end of tomorrow (Wed). Sorry wasn't more specific - I'm
>>>>>>> pretty swamped too and am using what little free time i have to kick
>>>>>>> the proposal into shape.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Jerry Isdale <jerry at mauimakers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> define 'next few days' -- I'm swamped until thursday... next wednesday really but by thursday I should have a few cycles available to review.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jerry Isdale
>>>>>>>> http://MauiMakers.com
>>>>>>>> http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Alex Cureton-Griffiths wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We'll be sending off the proposal in the next few days, so here are
>>>>>>>>> links to the latest version.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vol I: Proposal:
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/12ZLCbfyd_7ZKgALjZcC63WUVMuNDenwTwiAmUwzz53U/edit
>>>>>>>>> Vol II: Costs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WZC05ncQuQXEPEWORpUNEGUJNEagOlo_Unr5bwINCxI/edit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NOTES
>>>>>>>>> * I'm still working on clarifying the goals slightly.
>>>>>>>>> * Formatting in Gdocs is a bit odd. Final version will be formatted
>>>>>>>>> offline in Word
>>>>>>>>> * Please leave any feedback in form of comments
>>>>>>>>> * Have re-re-renamed to HSP (Hackerspace Space Program). That's what
>>>>>>>>> we started with and I think DARPA will be OK with this name
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sooner you can give feedback the better, since we have to submit in a few days
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers everyone!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To infinity and beyond!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alex C-G
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