[SpaceProgram] HSP contract steps and International Grants (was DARPA aims to ...)

Sun Apr 29 04:24:54 CEST 2012

If 900 was reduced to 300 and prizes donated by corporate sponsors. We
could do a small competition. Once we get 501c3 donations come easyer.
On Apr 28, 2012 9:33 AM, "Jerry Isdale" <jerry at mauimakers.com> wrote:

> A GGHC style competition (theme, cash upfront, prizes) takes a fair bit of
> expense.  Even with the initial 10 teams the basic $900 seed, plus
> you-competed-prizes would be a fair chunk of our $30k.  And a LOT of
> organization.
> Then again, sorting/reading through N proposals to select 5 for $5k grants
> is also a lot of organization & work.
> But for the DARPA program we need:
> 1) incorporation
> 2) non-profit status (possible use of umbrella org for till ours approved)
> 3) Statement of Work (SoW)
>
> 1 incorp requries the bylaws ... make it real simple so there is less for
> govt to review/hold us to.
> 2 comes along side but requires detailed information on the TYPE OF WORK
> we intend to do... which must meet 501(c)3 guidelines. Contests may not
> (need legal advice)
> 3 -- SoW is what The Contract is all about.  That is what we explicitly
> and verifiably say we are going to do, and what DARPA will get/do.
>
> Negotiation the SoW can be easy or hard. To make it easy (and to make the
> 501 easy) you get explicit about what you are going to do with the $$.
>  Which is way I was saying we should collect ideas -- we can use these to
> craft text of both the SoW and Form1023
>
> One issue with being a us non-profit giving $ to international groups --
> you need to verify the group getting the $ is using it for non-profit
> purposes.  It helps if the target is a foreign non-profit but how many
> hackerspaces around the world are non-profits? (perhaps we could as on
> discuss list?)
>
> Another issue would be giving to non-hackerspace groups (or individuals).
> Do we do that?  How do we define 'hackerspace'  (there's a big can
> o'worms)?   Could a bunch of people working on Unobtainium Generator at a
> TechShop get a HSP grant? A shared shop space in Shanghai, Melbourne or
> Cape Town?
>
> The SoW will need to be definitive here.  The Form1023 and its reporting
> papers even more so.
>
> See International Grantmaking Basics -
> http://www.usig.org/gmbasics-options.asp
>
> Jerry Isdale
> http://MauiMakers.com
> http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/
>
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul Szymkowiak wrote:
>
>
> On 29 April 2012 02:53, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think both is good, we propose themes, people can build projects.
>> themes can be like education, navigation, in-situ resource, mission
>> planning, propulsion, life support, etc.
>>
>> We need to finish bylaws and get corped
>>
>
> Good point. And, as Jerry has pointed out, we still need to decide a bunch
> of related points around structure, name, purpose, etc.
>
>
> Then we solicit members and projects, while running the first
>> competition. We can do a competition for glory to show we are serious.
>> Probably in the education category. We can do this without them,
>
>
> Well, maybe. If we look at the GGHC, all teams were on a reasonably level
> playing field due to the e14 seed money.
> I suspect a large number of teams would not have participated at all
> without those funds.
> So, I agree that the "prize" could be simply "glory", but to get a good
> number of teams involved, associated publicity, and people committing their
> time to a competition, I think we'd at least need to cover basic materials
> costs.
>
>
>
>> darpa funding is like catalyst in resin sitting in the sun. Either way we
>> cure, one way takes longer.
>>
>
> I wonder if we could obtain a small amount of funding from someone other
> than DARPA for an initial competition?
>
>
>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Paul Szymkowiak <paulszym at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi Jerry,
>> >
>> > On 28/04/2012, at 9:52 AM, Jerry Isdale <isdale at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ok...  we need to start collecting ideas for projects for HSP.
>> >
>> >
>> > Can you confirm why we need to do that? What specific need or
>> requirement is
>> > driving us to do that? Understanding that will help us navigate a
>> suitable
>> > solution.
>> >
>> > Unless DARPA are specifically asking, or we're contractually required
>> to, my
>> > take is we probably don't need to do this - what we could do is to begin
>> > encouraging hackerspaces to propose projects. However, until we have
>> actual
>> > funds available, that arguably doesn't make much sense.
>> >
>> > If DARPA is requiring this, then I suggest we focus on competitions,
>> along
>> > the lines Cole, myself and others were discussing.
>> >
>> > My take is we don't want to end up being the "grand design" committee,
>> > planning out a n-year development program ourselves. Instead, I feel we
>> need
>> > is to allow hackerspaces to organically define a program.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> >
>> >  Here's another DARPA project that might have some ideas for people...
>>  heck
>> > its hacking satellites!!
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/info-management/232901038
>> >
>> > Jerry Isdale
>> > isdale at gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
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