<p>If 900 was reduced to 300 and prizes donated by corporate sponsors. We could do a small competition. Once we get 501c3 donations come easyer.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Apr 28, 2012 9:33 AM, "Jerry Isdale" <<a href="mailto:jerry@mauimakers.com">jerry@mauimakers.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">A GGHC style competition (theme, cash upfront, prizes) takes a fair bit of expense. Even with the initial 10 teams the basic $900 seed, plus you-competed-prizes would be a fair chunk of our $30k. And a LOT of organization.<div>
Then again, sorting/reading through N proposals to select 5 for $5k grants is also a lot of organization & work.</div><div>But for the DARPA program we need:</div><div>1) incorporation</div><div>2) non-profit status (possible use of umbrella org for till ours approved)</div>
<div>3) Statement of Work (SoW)</div><div><br></div><div>1 incorp requries the bylaws ... make it real simple so there is less for govt to review/hold us to. </div><div>2 comes along side but requires detailed information on the TYPE OF WORK we intend to do... which must meet 501(c)3 guidelines. Contests may not (need legal advice)</div>
<div>3 -- SoW is what The Contract is all about. That is what we explicitly and verifiably say we are going to do, and what DARPA will get/do.</div><div><br></div><div>Negotiation the SoW can be easy or hard. To make it easy (and to make the 501 easy) you get explicit about what you are going to do with the $$. Which is way I was saying we should collect ideas -- we can use these to craft text of both the SoW and Form1023 </div>
<div><br></div><div>One issue with being a us non-profit giving $ to international groups -- you need to verify the group getting the $ is using it for non-profit purposes. It helps if the target is a foreign non-profit but how many hackerspaces around the world are non-profits? (perhaps we could as on discuss list?)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Another issue would be giving to non-hackerspace groups (or individuals). Do we do that? How do we define 'hackerspace' (there's a big can o'worms)? Could a bunch of people working on Unobtainium Generator at a TechShop get a HSP grant? A shared shop space in Shanghai, Melbourne or Cape Town?</div>
<div><br></div><div>The SoW will need to be definitive here. The Form1023 and its reporting papers even more so.</div><div><br></div><div>See International Grantmaking Basics - <a href="http://www.usig.org/gmbasics-options.asp" target="_blank">http://www.usig.org/gmbasics-options.asp</a></div>
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<br><div><div>On Apr 28, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul Szymkowiak wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 April 2012 02:53, cole santos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cksantos85@gmail.com" target="_blank">cksantos85@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I think both is good, we propose themes, people can build projects.<br>
themes can be like education, navigation, in-situ resource, mission<br>
planning, propulsion, life support, etc.<br>
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We need to finish bylaws and get corped<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Good point. And, as Jerry has pointed out, we still need to decide a bunch of related points around structure, name, purpose, etc.</div><div> </div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Then we solicit members and projects, while running the first<br>
competition. We can do a competition for glory to show we are serious.<br>
Probably in the education category. We can do this without them,</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, maybe. If we look at the GGHC, all teams were on a reasonably level playing field due to the e14 seed money.</div><div>
I suspect a large number of teams would not have participated at all without those funds.</div><div>So, I agree that the "prize" could be simply "glory", but to get a good number of teams involved, associated publicity, and people committing their time to a competition, I think we'd at least need to cover basic materials costs.</div>
<div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> darpa funding is like catalyst in resin sitting in the sun. Either way we<br>
cure, one way takes longer.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I wonder if we could obtain a small amount of funding from someone other than DARPA for an initial competition?</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Paul Szymkowiak <<a href="mailto:paulszym@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulszym@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi Jerry,<br>
><br>
> On 28/04/2012, at 9:52 AM, Jerry Isdale <<a href="mailto:isdale@gmail.com" target="_blank">isdale@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Ok... we need to start collecting ideas for projects for HSP.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Can you confirm why we need to do that? What specific need or requirement is<br>
> driving us to do that? Understanding that will help us navigate a suitable<br>
> solution.<br>
><br>
> Unless DARPA are specifically asking, or we're contractually required to, my<br>
> take is we probably don't need to do this - what we could do is to begin<br>
> encouraging hackerspaces to propose projects. However, until we have actual<br>
> funds available, that arguably doesn't make much sense.<br>
><br>
> If DARPA is requiring this, then I suggest we focus on competitions, along<br>
> the lines Cole, myself and others were discussing.<br>
><br>
> My take is we don't want to end up being the "grand design" committee,<br>
> planning out a n-year development program ourselves. Instead, I feel we need<br>
> is to allow hackerspaces to organically define a program.<br>
><br>
> Paul<br>
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><br>
> Here's another DARPA project that might have some ideas for people... heck<br>
> its hacking satellites!!<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/info-management/232901038" target="_blank">http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/info-management/232901038</a><br>
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> Jerry Isdale<br>
> <a href="mailto:isdale@gmail.com" target="_blank">isdale@gmail.com</a><br>
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