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Frantisek Apfelbeck algoldor at yahoo.com
Tue Nov 12 01:15:59 CET 2013 

Well I'm very happy to be in touch with you both (hi Jennifer), I think that the upcoming 30c3 hacker conference in Hamburg in December where we will be present as Food Hacking Base assembly again and the Food Hacking Tour around Europe after that will bring a lots of new ideas and input :-)

I'll be in touch,

Sincerely,
 
Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck


biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker


http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org


"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi




On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:07 AM, Greg Mueller <gmon01 at gmail.com> wrote:
 
Great, I'm copying my friend Jennifer who I mentioned to you from the Farm to Fermentation festival. I also copied your foodhackingbase list. 

I think that the forum I setup at design.aeonfarm.com can certainly facilitate dynamic discussions about all types of fermentations. 

I think that deep down this is a passion that we all share. 

And to answer the question about the web based system, yes I feel this is what I'm most suited to lead and develop over time, and I do see it as a long term vision. 

I've spoken with Jennifer about this, and I would love to see "fermentation centers" start popping up around the world that are providing a variety of healthy functions. I can see an elegant open source system empowering people to do this. 

-Greg 



On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Greg,
>Thanks for the reply, answers in the text!
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>This all sounds fantastic, thanks for your time in thinking through this. 
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>>>> it was a pleasure, answering in this way makes me thing and realize many things by myself
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>I believe I can keep the forum running from here forth. The question is 
whether it will be a forum for the community, or more of a blog for what I'm doing here in California. 
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>>>> Great! For the second, future will show I would say. I think that I can get there few more people so we can work on the incubator/ark reactor there, it is handy for these activities for sure. My hope is that in the future we can run this as part of the food hacking base community. I think I have mentioned it but I would like to have something like the Wildfermentation forum here, especially check the sections Resources and mos of all the 
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>http://www.wildfermentation.com/  Wild fermentation
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>http://www.wildfermentation.com/forum/   Fermentation Support Forum
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>It seems to me by look that it is really close to what you have come up. 
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>My goal is to create a web based system that can empower people to create 
their own physical manifestation, so to be as open as possible about the fabrication in the forum would be great.
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>>>> My question would be, is development of such a web based system what you can do best and what you are mostly interested in? Aren't there a decent alternatives already? This sounds to me as a huge full time long term project, what do you think? For me if it works in a way that others can help to manage it without learning huge amounts of nasty code and it is stable enough in a way that if it goes down you can upload it again without loosing too much data, than it would be nice to use it and test it in that way. You are now running that at your place so lets use it and see how it goes.
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>Regarding your 
questions with Arduino, it seems that is what you are most comfortable 
with. I am more focused on web based monitoring and control technology, 
so I need a board that is running Linux. Like I've mentioned the new 
Arduino Yun is capable, but Rapsberry Pi and Beaglebone are better. Your price point per unit will be difficult to hit without buying supplies 
in large quantity.  
>>>> This is a first step. The Raspberry Pi or something like that is on the list later on, even with my limited knowledge that is quite pretty clear to me. Honestly I think that both lines should and will be developed. The low low cost for example used in developing countries (I'm after these things a lot). I'm now wondering about the unit cost, $50 should be max for now. Well any recommendations are welcomed, I'll wait also for Arnd to comment. My priority at the moment to have it ready on time and make sure that the things fits together and we are not left with Arduino prototyping shields not fitting the board etc. By the way what program do you use for drawing schematics?
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>>>> Well today my girlfriend is coming back so I've to return to a "real life", therefore my online activity will be a bit decreased but I'll be still working hard.
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>>>> I'm looking forward to talk to you
 soon,
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>>>> Sincerely,
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>>>> FAA 
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>PS Just to mention email like this is for example exactly what should be posted to the food hacking base discuss. Most of the time people would not get involved but sometimes you get a nice surprise.
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>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
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>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
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>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
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>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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>On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:15 AM, Greg Mueller <gmon01 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>This all sounds fantastic, thanks for your time in thinking through this. 
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>I believe I can keep the forum running from here forth. The question is whether it will be a forum for the community, or more of a blog for what I'm doing here in California. 
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>My goal is to create a web based system that can empower people to create their own physical manifestation, so to be as open as possible about the fabrication in the forum would be great.
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>Regarding your questions with Arduino, it seems that is what you are most comfortable with. I am more focused on web based monitoring and control technology, so I need a board that is running Linux. Like I've mentioned the new Arduino Yun is capable, but Rapsberry Pi and Beaglebone are better. Your price point per unit will be difficult to hit without buying supplies in large quantity. 
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>On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Hi Greg,
>>I just posted to the forum but I can not upload pictures at the moment (new user) so that will have to wait a bit.
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>>Now concerning what we could do together. First of all I think it is important to keep an eye on our activities which are keeping us alive so we do not get too enthusiastic and do not cut the branch under us, I'm sometimes an expert on this if I get really deep in something.
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>>So now what I would like to know if you could do or what I can imagine you could do which me/others could contribute to and profit: you know polite suggestions, checking etc. 
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>>- I think that it would be really good to keep in touch concerning progress on your project at aeonfarm. That would be a base I would say. From my point of view I would take it as a your group effort which
 I would like to present (if you like) as an associated effort with the Food Hacking Base (fhb) project. This would translate into mentioning on our list from time to time what you are up to (preferably you will mention that :-)), the same applies to Twitter, Facebook etc. we can promote it further - that would get attention both to you and us. So I think that would be the start, concerning the "associated" word well it is taking shape now so if you are interested I would like you to sign for the food hacking base discuss and talk about that there and make it clearer in other words shaping it together.
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>>http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/foodhackingbase
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>>- if you can keep up the http://design.aeonfarm.com/ I would like to know what is it running on, how hard it is to keep running smoothly, what are the future prospects behind the software etc. All these would be lovely to present on the discuss, because there are people who do understand these things quite well, I'm not really one of them. I would like to know if you think this has a future and it is feasible to use for group as ours. My hope is that using it first as the "aeonfarm forum we could test it and if the things go fine we could use something like that for food hacking base (fhb) too. Concerning the webmastering and things like that, I'm generally trying to keep away from that because I do not understand that very well (media wiki is kind of OK with me) and I do not have time - too busy with events or being on the road out of the grid and keeping the things running. In general I hope that in the future the fhb is going to rent/own some well
 connected fast server and we can do whatever we want there. I would definitely recommend several people having full admin access. How do you feel about this one?
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>>- ark reactor/experimental incubator project. I would like to prepare 5-10x control units with sensors and all parts necessary to start to play with them and test them before the 30c3 in Hamburg comes this December. I would like you with the others  to help out to think what would be the best way to do it, what parts yes and what parts no. I think $50 should be max investment per unit, $30-40 would be better. Access to the Internet is not priority in this case, so the Arduino is likely to be the best choice to start with, what do you think? I will work on it later on and post you on the development but I would like to know your opinion in general, this is not my field. Especially I'm not sure about the "just Atmega chip" option and breadboard or whole Arduino board and breadboard too (second is more expensive but sounds to be safer way to go). What do you think?
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>>Now what the food hacking base and me can do to contribute to your activities:
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>>- we can to at least a degree promote your activities especially the ones connected to the bio-fermentors etc. you know what I'm mean. That will give you extra attention which helps in general - I do not say it is anything major but well we had an article at Make magazine about our activities few months ago etc.
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>>- when we run a crowdsourcing campaign which we sooner or later will again, we can coordinate with you so some of the project is included and split the resources/funds from the campaign to support given project. This is a way which I want to promote and partly from this reason I'm promoting the Dancing Drops group which we run here in Jeju as associated group to fhb. Now simple said fhb group doesn't have some amazing huge funders but if you put out a campaign once in few/several months and you really work hard and well on it, I say over $1000 raised one can relay, I think more than that to be honest but lets keep safe. It is not too much for example but it can pay for the parts which helps.
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>>- base for events - if you decide to go for some big hacker event where we are than you have a really good platform to do what you want there, both equipment, funds and publicity wise. That one is for sure. I was hoping to make it for USA events in 2014 but I think it will have to wait, so now it is 30c3 and definitely 31c3 next year.
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>>Anyway this is a bit longer email which summarize it a bit. Please sign for your discuss if you can, continue with your projects at aeon farm, lets promote them, keep the forum up if you can lets help to make it more stable by using it and at the moment sensitive - advice please on the experimental incubator parts needed to put together 5-10x prototypes, based on Arduino, budget below $50 or $30-40 per unit. We can help your promote your activities, when crowdsourcing campaign is on, we can include your project and split the funds and give a base at hacker events where we are if you decide to come.
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>>Well that would be for not it, it was a long day and I still have drinks to harvest :-)
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>>Have a good time and I'll be looking forward to talk to you soon!
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>>Sincerely,
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>>FAA
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>>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
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>>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
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>>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
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>>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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>>On Monday, November 11, 2013 2:31 PM, Greg Mueller <gmon01 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>Looks great. What do you mean use the explanatory text? Something I said?
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>>I saw your Dancing Drops page on Facebook, love all the fermentations you've done.
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>>You would real like my friend Jennifer who runs the Farm to Fermentation festival in Sonoma every year. She's amazing. I did a presentation there back in August on fermentation and technology. www.farmtofermentation.com/
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>>Here was the lineup for the day: http://www.farmtofermentation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/schedule8.10.jpg
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>>On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>so just a short one after few hours of work :-) I will use the explanatory text as I did on Facebook, hoping it is OK with you. I would like to make the 3D model within next day or two and hopefully schematics of the electric circuit, I wonder if you could check the "final version" of it, I'm not very experienced in it. What would you recommend as a open source program to use? I've found for example this info
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>>>http://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/open-sourced/4406400/Open-source-electrical-engineering-design-tools
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>>>and I remember mic from c-base uses free version of Eagle
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>>>Sincerely,
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>>>FAA
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>>>This is I would say first draft of the post about the build up of a simple light bulb based dryer which I
 did
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>>>http://experimentalincubator.wordpress.com/2013/11/11/diy-dryer-prototype-build-up/
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>>>I plan to add more things and make it clearer but I hope tot get some feed back on this from you. I hope to help to build improved versions up in the future, especially on our upcoming tour around Europe which we plan for January and February of next year after 30c3. 
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>>>Enjoy and I hope to hear back from you.
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>>>FAA
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>>>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
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>>>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
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>>>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
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>>>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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>>>On Monday, November 11, 2013 10:14 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>Do not worry take your time. Well now I think it may be a good time to sit a bit and upload some pictures to the forum and info :-)
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>>>With me it is simple, if I'm supposed to work well for longer term I have to do it as a community based endeavor. So what we are now talking about and the way how I'm promoting things are well suited to me. 
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>>>I will get back to you during today, homework first!
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>>>Sincerely,
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>>>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
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>>>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
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>>>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
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>>>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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>>>On Monday, November 11, 2013 4:53 AM, Greg Mueller <gmon01 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>Sounds fantastic, how do you think we can bring things together? 
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>>>I would be glad to be a "webmaster" of sorts for forum and web based control system software for the devices that we are working on. 
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>>>Thank you for including me into the 'hackerspace' community. I haven't responded quite yet to introduce myself. 
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>>>On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 5:15 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>Hi Greg,
>>>>well tomorrow is my last "whole working day" meaning I've time for whatever I like, after that my darling is coming back and well back to field work I guess. I'll take care about the pictures and descriptions of  the dryer which I did for the forum and many thanks for uploading the previous discussion back!
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>>>>I hope to get the list of parts necessary to be able to work on the first prototypes within next week or 10 days so I can order them.  
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>>>>Sincerely,
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>>>>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
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>>>>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
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>>>>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
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>>>>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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>>>>On Saturday, November 9, 2013 4:29 PM, Greg Mueller <gmon01 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>Sounds really cool! I've always wanted to do that, but haven't a good enough guide. Of course, feel free to post a new topic on the forum about it or fermented beverages in general. 
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>>>>On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>Many thanks!
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>>>>>I've just finished some probiotic soda experiments - trying few small test batches (2 l) with variety of ingredients, adding it just day or two before bottling (after 3-5 days of fermentation), based on kefir culture (whey). I did peels of sweet potato, "flesh" of sweet potato, tangerine and herbs (not sure if it is rosemary and lavander exactly will know soon).
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>>>>>Tomorrow I will just post a blog about fhb project at OHM 2013 - build up of a hexayurt based cold room and we will see after wards.
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>>>>>Once more thanks,
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>>>>>Talk to you soon,
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>>>>>FAA
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>>>>>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
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>>>>>On Saturday, November 9, 2013 3:23 PM, Greg Mueller <gmon01 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>Yes, I can put our conversation back up the way it was. I signed up for you, and I'll put it back up. Just ignore the confirmation email you got, I already confirmed you. 
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>>>>>Login: algoldor at yahoo.com
>>>>>pw: incubator (you can change this)
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>>>>>On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>>Hi Greg,
>>>>>>Thanks for the reply and putting to forum up again, excellent!
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>>>>>>Shall I try to copy our previous conversations there? If I do I'm afraid it would be just a monologue and I do not have he pictures which you shared there. I know it would take a bit of extra time but it may be handy :-)
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>>>>>>I will check on the info which you send in this email in a bit, I've to do several experiments today, one of them is starting batch of kombucha producing a cellulose layer which I want to dry later on and make to Food Hacking Base batches with some laser engraving I hope. Also I'm thinking now about build up of an incubator box, I would like to have around 60x60x60 cm cubic space inside, doors which open and arduino operated temperature probe and heating element (for now just heating). I'm
 not sure what to use as a heat source, I would like to have a nice even distribution of heat inside, wondering if some "light bulbs" producing heat, fans transferring it to the incubator chamber would work. It was quite fine scenario with peltiers before. The incubator dimensions would be more or less like this one, but the box will be much more simple
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>>>>>>http://experimentalincubator.wordpress.com/
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>>>>>>By they way the dryer works quite fine, I will try to upload pictures today. I have loaded kombucha SCOBY of 286 g in and within 24 hours it dried to 145 g, not bad I think.
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>>>>>>Anyway I will go on with the experiments, log into the forum and post some pictures, hopefully later on  today. Do you have some budget for your experiments? It is my aim to get resources for this type of stuff in next few months through crowd sourcing campaigns - I'm confident that if they are well prepared it will work. 
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>>>>>>Sincerely,
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>>>>>>FAA 
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>>>>>>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
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>>>>>>On Saturday, November 9, 2013 1:00 PM, Greg Mueller <gmon01 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>I started with Arduino, and it was a fine solution for pulling sensor data, but when I wanted to implement real controls and logic, I realized I needed a dedicated linux board. I've been working with Raspberry Pi, but I'm going to get a BeagleBone and test with that, as I think it may be better suited than a Raspberry Pi. They aren't that much more expensive than an Arduino and have much more capability. The new Arduino Yun has a distro of Linux, but it is limited and is a much more expensive board. 
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>>>>>>I like the unit that you describe - measures temperature and humidity and can turn on/off a heating and cooling device, while being connected to the internet. I currently have 1 temperature sensor running right now. Attached is the graph readout over the past week. The sensor is in a shipping container. I'm going to add a few more temperature sensors (1 for outside the container, and one for the liquid vessel) along with 2 humidity sensors (inside and out). 
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>>>>>>I put a new a forum up at design.aeonfarm.com - the idea there obviously says "farm" instead of "reactor".
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>>>>>>On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>Thanks for the reply. I liked the style of the one which was up, so if you can make something like that happen again and secure that even if it is down from time to time the data (with pictures etc.) will stay there, I would like to contribute. How is your hosting/server, no issues there?
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>>>>>>>I plan to start a crowd sourcing campaign for fhb soon, experimental incubator or however it should be called will be part of that. My friend Arnd got back to me, pointing out that the Arduino based prototypes would have decent advantage of being really cheap, and easy to work with if shields are used properly. I like the raspberry PI (as he does) but wonder if that could be step number two lets say, what do you think? We plan with my girlfriend a food hacking tour around Europe and building up
 incubators and getting people involved in where we go is important part of that. My hope is to put with someone like you :-) decent design for a simple circuit board (which I would print later on at c-base or other places) for a control element for incubator which would measure temperature (and hopefully humidity), switch on and off heating/cooling element (most likely peltier devices - at least for cooling), would be accessible from Internet (hopefully) and display the data on a display, plus can be set up by buttons, if there would be extra ports which could be used for additional probes that would be very nice.
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>>>>>>>This is what mic one for me at c-base in Berlin last year
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>>>>>>>https://github.com/Miceuz/incubator
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>>>>>>>I would like to know your opinion on this and if you would like to be involved - the architecture at least for now seems bit different
 than what you are up to. If done well it can get people involved in the subject and get some resources for I would say pre-prototyping faze, which could last for half year or so. After that bigger crowd sourcing campaign can be done with an aim to develop a real product within a year or so.
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>>>>>>>So any forum which you put on great, please try to keep link to it constant for as long as possible and more stable th platform is better but that is not priority, please comment on the Arduino based circuit board printed idea which I've mentioned.
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>>>>>>>Will be in touch shortly,
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>>>>>>>Sincerely,
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>>>>>>>PS As I have mentioned we have got here in Korea around $20 000 grant to build up an fermentation station and cafe - mostly equipment dedicated. Part of it is electronic lab, I've added you under share option so you can have a look/edit on the Google document (if editing please rather add below so I do not get lost :-)). Part of this budget are electronic components for experimental
 incubator
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>>>>>>>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoI1FSp-qkEWdERyYzQ1UzZ1UXBMenJxVl9Ta0NYU3c&usp=sharing
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>>>>>>>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
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>>>>>>>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
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>>>>>>>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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>>>>>>>On Friday, November 8, 2013 11:16 AM, Greg Mueller <gmon01 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>Thanks for your thoughts. I know we barely know each other but we care about such similar things, it's a joy to connect with you.
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>>>>>>>I pulled the database file out of the older version of that software... here is our conversation in text.
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>>>>>>>I'm going to have to start a fresh forum now, maybe this one can have a broader feel to it, than just a reactor
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>>>>>>>On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>Hi Greg,
>>>>>>>>understood. Pity it went down just now, I have posted to two main lists with link to it in case of one :-)
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>>>>>>>>The reactor in the "ark reactor" will earn some negative connotations, I'm quite sure about that. Aeon farm sounds softer but the "farm" will sound to hackers bit suspicious :-) Maybe ark farm? :-))) Not sure this is your decision to take I think. I'll go through the info which you send me few days ago today, now back to the post about cold room build up at OHM 2013.
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>>>>>>>>Talk to you soon,
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>>>>>>>>Sincerely,
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>>>>>>>>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
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>>>>>>>>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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>>>>>>>>On Friday, November 8, 2013 9:33 AM, Greg Mueller <gmon01 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>Also, I put this together summer of 2012, I thought you may like it based on the recent correspondence I read about about artists and eco-villages. I am a HUGE fan of that :)
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>>>>>>>>http://grapethinking.com/aeon/fermentation/learn.html
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>>>>>>>>On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Greg Mueller <gmon01 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>Hi Frantisek, 
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>>>>>>>>>I was trying to update the forum software last night and everything crashed. I've been working today to get it up and running. It has been difficult. I am using open source software that still has some bugs. however, the interface and functionality is so much better than wordpress/tumblr/wikis etc. 
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>>>>>>>>>I forwarded the URL to another site I've been hacking together, Aeon Farm. Right now it is just a login system built with Node.js.
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>>>>>>>>>What name do you like more? Aeon Farm or Ark Reactor? 
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>>>>>>>>>I've had Aeon Farm for some time. A friend did that nice logo. 
>>>>>>>>>Maybe "farm" has a better meaning than "reactor"?
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>>>>>>>>>I'm working to get the forum back up and running. 
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>>>>>>>>>On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>Hi Greg,
>>>>>>>>>>I have copied and mentioned you on few mailing lists (hacker related), are you OK with that? I hope so if not please let me know!
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>>>>>>>>>>By the way I'm trying to get to the posts about the ark reactor/incubator but this page instead is popping out
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>>>>>>>>>>http://aeonfarm.com/
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>>>>>>>>>>my log in doesn't work there, do you know what is going on?
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>>>>>>>>>>Talk to you more today,
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>>>>>>>>>>Sincerely,
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>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
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>>>>>>>>>>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
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>>>>>>>>>>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
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>>>>>>>>>>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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