[hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!

[David Venancio de Campos]

Hi,

On 29/07/2020 13:33, ijon at c-base.org wrote:
> WTF. I think I want to add my 2 cents here...
>
> I briefly checked
bad.
> the french structure of associations - it does not say that the associations have to be democractic in itself. Just that they are a pillar of the french democracy. But that does not translate to the internal structure of associations.
ho? so you know better than a french guy how build 3 associations ? hmhm.
> Also I checked the manual / "RTFM" page of the space - also there it does not say, that its democratic on the inside.
*SIC* : hopefully it's mandatory in ANY association loi 1901.
>
> So I dont think you have any grounds to stand on,
you STFU. didnt read further. (oh! let me see i just read what?)
>   or I havent found where it said in writing, that in this specific association the throwing out of people has to be democratic.
yes it is.
> Also: "threatening to attempt to close the association"
I said I could do it. exact.
> is the worst behaviour I can imagine for any space. Based on these grounds alone, I would ask you to leave the space (where I am a member and can do so). If the issue can not be resolved through peaceful discussion, then "leaving" is the better option.
your wrong. inverting what I said. I WON'T DO IT. NEVER. understood ?
> or to put it more cleary: Threaten my space, and you lose all credibility immediately and also you loose all willingness of mine to even attempt a resolution.
>
> One can not be toxic to better anything. Toxicity always is infectious. If I would be part of the bureau of this space, after these emails, there would not be any question left in my mind wether you should go or not.
>
> Also, demanding a slot for a talk in this behaviour,
FAILCON ? know that concept ?
> to present accusations towards a hackerspace, after failing to resolve these issues in person in the hackerspace itself is really bad style. The way you are presenting your accusations in these emails are also very unstructured, does not have enough details. It looks like this is not the whole story, because you are leaving way too much out. On this alone I would never grant you a slot on any event - because I am not convinced, that you would even attempt to present the whole story and not just those bits where you feel unjustly treated.
>
> No one gets kicked out of a hackerspace without very good reasons and a long backstory.

1 point at least in all this mail. ok sure. but you don't know what 
happened and don't want me to tell...

Censorship? .|. -_- .|.

>   I have perceived these communities in the past as usually extremly inclusive, where even (some) bad behaviour is attributed to personality quirks and overlooked, with the goal of having a peaceful community. Usually shit has to be piled on shit and then some, before a space decides to invest the time, discussion and process to throw someone out. As this is volunteer time, its most likely only then invested, when there seems to be absolutely no other option, and only then when "letting it slip" is no option anymore.
>
> cheers
> ijon

yeh go drink. that's it. see ya not !

on my side, I'll forget that stupid idea and thanks to you, I'm laughing.

-Meta.

>> David Venancio de Campos <metabaron at massmulti.org> hat am 29.07.2020 13:31 geschrieben:
>>
>>   
>> On 29/07/2020 12:17, aimee at ecohackerfarm.org wrote:
>>> David, unfortunately you are still being very cryptic about what
>>> happened.
>> One or two persons bypassed the democratic process to put me out.
>>
>> In France you don't play with Democracy.
>>
>> ASSOCIATIONS LOI 1901 : PILAR OF FRENCH DEMOCRACY.
>>
>> (not the representative parliament : ASSOCIATIONS which do things where
>> government cannot go : "by citizens for citizens.")
>>
>> That is why I could ask for the Tetalab to close at Toulouse's "Palais
>> de Justice".
>>
>> I have witnesses and proofs.
>>
>> Furthermore I could ask for "DIFAMATION" money. Which I'm not going to.
>>
>> I SAY THAT CANNOT BE ANYMORE !
>>
>> NOT All the Lab turned against me, but the "Bureau" decided to put me
>> out without asking anything to all the members.
>>
>> Now to complotists out-there : I'm not from the french government
>> neither a spy or anything close to that.
>>
>> AND THIS E-MAILS ARE THE PROOF I COULD DO HARM TO THE LAB AND NOT DOING IT.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> ps: ok I'm being salty whatever, toxic whatever FOR BETTER ! That
>> shouldn't happen again !
>>
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