[hackerspaces] Invitation (was Fwd: Re: Black Highlighter + Important PS)

Matt Joyce matt at nycresistor.com
Tue Jul 11 18:48:32 CEST 2017

I think you should stay out of south american politics.  And I'm not
intending to invoke monroe doctrine.  I used to live there, and I stay out
of it.  It's not my place to involve myself in the complexities there.  I
can reasonably say this though... there were no good guys in any of the
situations you are referring to.

You want to cast some huge swathe of horribleness on US external
influence... fine... we've gone done stuck our proverbial dick in the
mashed potatoes plenty of times.  But your country would still be a soviet
satellite state without us, and as far as international active involvement
goes historically... the US has been the nicest super power to ever exist
in global history.  So sure, we've fucked up.  And continue to.  But so far
we're doing better than anyone else yet.  Feel free to hop in and do
better.  Or feel free to sit on the sidelines.  We are international and
national fuckups.  America was founded by fuckups, for fuckups.  We're
proud of our fuckup heritage.  We're the bastard children of every other
country.  But that said... we are doing better than others.  You want to
lead... lead.  You don't want to.. then follow or get out of the way.

I am down with people calling out the US for it's mistakes.  It's a
fundamental tenant of a free society.  Enshrined in the magna carta.  But,
if you want to just say shit could be better... well that's not
constructive.  Go make it better.  Cecilia is trying to make shit better.
You are just shitting all over that.  You've provided no better
alternative.  That's not constructive.  It's just flame bait man.

You have some solid concerns... but I don't see you following them up with
a solution.  And frankly... at some level, all activism requires an above
board legal frameworked interaction with the world... otherwise they end up
like the palestinian liberation movement, trapped by their own extremists
incapable of any meaningful traction, forever the victim of a nation with a
better political and public outreach.

Sure sometimes they need their own backchannels and clandestine
components.  But they need the above board shit just as badly.

Change is dangerous.  Always has been.  Always will be.  But our little
nation of fuckups have proven that fucking up is definitely better than
hoping shit gets better and not fucking up.


fuckups for the win.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 12:16 PM, idnc_sk <idnc_sk at vpslab.org> wrote:

> :)
> I'd like to point that it was the US military who actively removed almost
> every single
> democratically elected leader in south america, africa and partly in asia
> whenever their
> pro-people "ideology" interfered with corporate interests. Not "US"
> interests, not with
> the interests of "US" citizens, with corporate interests.
> [Harold Pinter on US foreign policy]
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flvLfSSR1d4
> On 07/11/2017 06:09 PM, Matt Joyce wrote:
> I'd like to point out it was the US military that basically built the
> internet.
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:29 AM, idnc_sk <idnc_sk at vpslab.org> wrote:
>> I would definitely dial that enthusiasm down a little. Anyone who cared
>> to check
>> knows how important of a role Stanford plays as an arm of the military
>> industrial
>> complex. Regardless of how many "transformations" LTT (claims to have)
>> underwent,
>> we are not living in some fairyland! Love and music are both great, I do
>> enjoy
>> SF "yt" lectures, nevertheless there is no room for naivety, no time to
>> waste
>> on projects / initiatives steered to lead  nowhere. Without going into
>> details,
>> pleas please please don't be this naive, you are actually harming people.
>> Let me put
>> it clearly, people might *die* because of such naivety. How many
>> activists/reporters/
>> whistle-blowers died because of people like you? How many hundreds if not
>> thousands
>> fell victim to wikileaks and all the "good" people knowingly or
>> unknowingly propagating
>> their carefully constructed image? Do you _know_ who the people in that
>> org are?
>> No, you don't
>> Please, don't harm people
>> <3 <3 <3
>> idnc_sk
>> On 07/11/2017 03:38 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>> Hi Hi, dear all !  Hope everybody is doing great and feeling fabulous,
>> woohoo!!!  :D
>> There are lots of still unknown great projects and ideas in this world,
>> my dear hackers.  So I inviting you all to share your projects on the
>> Liberation Tech discussion list.  :)
>> For 9 years, until the end of last March, Liberation Tech was a project
>> of Stanford University.  Now we are restructuring it to make it
>> independent.  Wait for good news, people!  ;)
>> It will be great to see interaction among good people with the same
>> interests:  building a better future for all, a fairer and more peaceful
>> world, protecting the human rights against the oppression of governments
>> and companies.  <3
>> Take care and have a great day, with much music and love, dear all !  <3
>> @cecitanaka & the lovely Liberation Tech Team  <3
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka at gmail.com>
>> Date: Jul 11, 2017 9:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: Black Highlighter + Important PS
>> To: "liberationtech" <liberationtech at lists.stanford.edu>
>> Cc:
>> Oh, the project doesn't need to be written in English only, but please
>> remember that a little review in English can be very, very useful.
>> Sorry everybody for the bad format of the original message.  It's ugly,
>> meh again!  :((
>> On Jul 11, 2017 8:57 AM, "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> It's one of the projects by Brian Dickens (@hostilefork) and I thought it
>> would be interesting to share it with LibTech community.
>> http://blackhighlighter.hostilefork.com/
>> A little excerpt of it:
>> "Blackhighlighter combines novel editing with in-browser cryptography to
>> facilitate new ways of communicating. It was initially designed for a
>> Sunlight Foundation contest to improve transparency in correspondence with
>> elected officials.
>> However, it was later evolved to a widget that helps hybridize redaction
>> with accountability in many possible scenarios. It has applications to open
>> government, but also generally raising the bar for fairness in
>> communications."
>> ==========
>> Important PS:  - I was thinking about posting on Liberation Tech's
>> twitter account all the new projects presented on this public list, since
>> they are related to technology and society  (human rights, surveillance,
>> privacy, freedom of the press and expression, etc).
>> Sorry, we will *not* make "free merchandising" to companies and, please,
>> no huge ego trips.  We just want to share new ideas with the world and hack
>> it, make it much better.  :D
>> You can mention projects and institutions you really appreciate, your own
>> projects, interesting posts, news, essays, books, ideas, etc.  Just
>> remember you and your project (or other thing)  can be criticized, receive
>> some suggestions or  - who knows? -  good help to become even better,
>> yayyy!!!  :D
>> There are hundreds of intelligent and very interesting people on this
>> list.  Some projects can be discussed here and receive technical
>> corrections and/or suggestions, support, partnership...  So many lovely
>> possibilities!  <3
>> Oh, and if possible, share your favorite project with us mentioning your
>> @ on Twitter, please!  :)
>> Thank you a lot, dear all!  Much love for you and my best wishes!  <3
>> Ceci
>> PS's PS:  -  I survived to hospital, but not my notebook.  You know, lots
>> of virus there, hahaha!!  ;D
>> Well, try to ignore the crazy auto-corrections of this bizarre new
>> cellphone, please.  I bought a "dumbphone" instead of a "smartphone", meh!
>>  :(
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