<div dir="ltr">I think you should stay out of south american politics. And I'm not intending to invoke monroe doctrine. I used to live there, and I stay out of it. It's not my place to involve myself in the complexities there. I can reasonably say this though... there were no good guys in any of the situations you are referring to.<div><br></div><div>You want to cast some huge swathe of horribleness on US external influence... fine... we've gone done stuck our proverbial dick in the mashed potatoes plenty of times. But your country would still be a soviet satellite state without us, and as far as international active involvement goes historically... the US has been the nicest super power to ever exist in global history. So sure, we've fucked up. And continue to. But so far we're doing better than anyone else yet. Feel free to hop in and do better. Or feel free to sit on the sidelines. We are international and national fuckups. America was founded by fuckups, for fuckups. We're proud of our fuckup heritage. We're the bastard children of every other country. But that said... we are doing better than others. You want to lead... lead. You don't want to.. then follow or get out of the way.</div><div><br></div><div>I am down with people calling out the US for it's mistakes. It's a fundamental tenant of a free society. Enshrined in the magna carta. But, if you want to just say shit could be better... well that's not constructive. Go make it better. Cecilia is trying to make shit better. You are just shitting all over that. You've provided no better alternative. That's not constructive. It's just flame bait man.</div><div><br></div><div>You have some solid concerns... but I don't see you following them up with a solution. And frankly... at some level, all activism requires an above board legal frameworked interaction with the world... otherwise they end up like the palestinian liberation movement, trapped by their own extremists incapable of any meaningful traction, forever the victim of a nation with a better political and public outreach.</div><div><br></div><div>Sure sometimes they need their own backchannels and clandestine components. But they need the above board shit just as badly.</div><div><br></div><div>Change is dangerous. Always has been. Always will be. But our little nation of fuckups have proven that fucking up is definitely better than hoping shit gets better and not fucking up.</div><div><br></div><div>-Matt</div><div><br></div><div>fuckups for the win.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 12:16 PM, idnc_sk <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:idnc_sk@vpslab.org" target="_blank">idnc_sk@vpslab.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>:) <br>
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I'd like to point that it was the US military who actively removed
almost every single<br>
democratically elected leader in south america, africa and partly
in asia whenever their<br>
pro-people "ideology" interfered with corporate interests. Not
"US" interests, not with<br>
the interests of "US" citizens, with corporate interests. <br>
</p>
<p>[Harold Pinter on US foreign policy]<br>
<a class="m_-7896032220950095886moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flvLfSSR1d4" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=flvLfSSR1d4</a></p><div><div class="h5">
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<div class="m_-7896032220950095886moz-cite-prefix">On 07/11/2017 06:09 PM, Matt Joyce
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I'd like to point out it was the US military that
basically built the internet.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:29 AM,
idnc_sk <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:idnc_sk@vpslab.org" target="_blank">idnc_sk@vpslab.org</a>></span>
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<p>I would definitely dial that enthusiasm down a little.
Anyone who cared to check <br>
knows how important of a role Stanford plays as an arm
of the military industrial <br>
complex. Regardless of how many "transformations" LTT
(claims to have) underwent, <br>
we are not living in some fairyland! Love and music are
both great, I do enjoy <br>
SF "yt" lectures, nevertheless there is no room for
naivety, no time to waste <br>
on projects / initiatives steered to lead nowhere.
Without going into details, <br>
pleas please please don't be this naive, you are
actually harming people. Let me put <br>
it clearly, people might *die* because of such naivety.
How many activists/reporters/<br>
whistle-blowers died because of people like you? How
many hundreds if not thousands <br>
fell victim to wikileaks and all the "good" people
knowingly or unknowingly propagating <br>
their carefully constructed image? Do you _know_ who the
people in that org are? </p>
<p>No, you don't</p>
<p>Please, don't harm people<br>
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<p><br>
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<p><3 <3 <3<br>
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<p>idnc_sk<br>
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07/11/2017 03:38 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hi Hi, dear all ! Hope everybody
is doing great and feeling fabulous, woohoo!!!
:D</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
There are lots of still unknown great projects
and ideas in this world, my dear hackers. So I
inviting you all to share your projects on the
Liberation Tech discussion list. :)</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">For 9 years, until the end of last
March, Liberation Tech was a project of Stanford
University. Now we are restructuring it to make
it independent. Wait for good news, people! ;)</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">It will be great to see
interaction among good people with the same
interests: building a better future for all, a
fairer and more peaceful world, protecting the
human rights against the oppression of
governments and companies. <3</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Take care and have a great day,
with much music and love, dear all ! <3</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">@cecitanaka & the lovely
Liberation Tech Team <3</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto">----------
Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: "Cecilia Tanaka" <<a href="mailto:cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com" target="_blank">cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Jul 11, 2017 9:14 AM<br>
Subject: Re: Black Highlighter + Important PS<br>
To: "liberationtech" <<a href="mailto:liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu" target="_blank">liberationtech@lists.stanford<wbr>.edu</a>><br>
Cc: <br>
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<div>Oh, the project doesn't need to be
written in English only, but please
remember that a little review in English
can be very, very useful.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Sorry everybody for the bad
format of the original message. It's
ugly, meh again! :((</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 11,
2017 8:57 AM, "Cecilia Tanaka" <<a href="mailto:cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com" target="_blank">cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<div dir="auto">It's one of the
projects by Brian Dickens
(@hostilefork) and I thought
it would be interesting to
share it with LibTech
community.<br>
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<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto"><a href="http://blackhighlighter.hostilefork.com/" target="_blank">http://blackhighlighter.hostil<wbr>efork.com/</a><br>
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<div dir="auto">
<div style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em" dir="auto">A little excerpt
of it:</div>
<div style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em" dir="auto">"Blackhighlighter
combines novel editing with
in-browser cryptography to
facilitate new ways of
communicating. It was
initially designed for a
Sunlight Foundation contest
to improve transparency in
correspondence with elected
officials. </div>
<div style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em" dir="auto">However, it was
later evolved to a widget
that helps hybridize
redaction with
accountability in many
possible scenarios. It has
applications to open
government, but also
generally raising the bar
for fairness in
communications."</div>
<div style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em" dir="auto">==========</div>
<div style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em" dir="auto">Important PS: -
I was thinking about posting
on Liberation Tech's twitter
account all the new projects
presented on this public
list, since they are related
to technology and society
(human rights,
surveillance, privacy,
freedom of the press and
expression, etc). </div>
<div style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em" dir="auto">Sorry, we will
*not* make "free
merchandising" to companies
and, please, no huge ego
trips. We just want to
share new ideas with the
world and hack it, make it
much better. :D<br>
</div>
<div style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em" dir="auto">You can mention
projects and institutions
you really appreciate, your
own projects, interesting
posts, news, essays, books,
ideas, etc. Just remember
you and your project (or
other thing) can be
criticized, receive some
suggestions or - who knows?
- good help to become even
better, yayyy!!! :D</div>
<div style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em" dir="auto">There are
hundreds of intelligent and
very interesting people on
this list. Some projects
can be discussed here and
receive technical
corrections and/or
suggestions, support,
partnership... So many
lovely possibilities! <3</div>
<div style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em" dir="auto">Oh, and if
possible, share your
favorite project with us
mentioning your @ on
Twitter, please! :)</div>
<div style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em" dir="auto">Thank you a lot,
dear all! Much love for you
and my best wishes! <3</div>
<div style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em" dir="auto">Ceci</div>
<div style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em" dir="auto">PS's PS: - I
survived to hospital, but
not my notebook. You know,
lots of virus there,
hahaha!! ;D</div>
<div style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em" dir="auto">Well, try to
ignore the crazy
auto-corrections of this
bizarre new cellphone,
please. I bought a
"dumbphone" instead of a
"smartphone", meh! :(</div>
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