[hackerspaces] bring back the crime - "hacker" is starting to mean "creative entrepeneur"

[Michel Gallant]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Why would you want to keep people away from hackerspaces?  So many
> hackerspaces around the world are thriving communities because we are open
> to new people.  New people being new ideas, and new energy, and help us
> grow and stretch in ways that wouldn't be possible otherwise.  The world of
> hackerspaces has only grown because we are open to new people and ideas.
>
Dude, if you think that, you're being willfully ignorant of the elitism and
one-upmanship present in hackerspaces, especially those that focus on
computer security. I don't think you're that ignorant, so please stop
pretending and acknowledge the reality.



>
> "Hacking" has many definitions.  The one Lisha wrote about is a great
> one.  And it is only good if we share it.
>
> Let's keep sharing.
>
> If someone becomes "assimilated", whatever, that's their choice.  Myself,
> I'll continue to encourage everyone I meet to explore and do what they
> might love to do.  Hackerspaces are fantastic communities for this.  I'd
> love to see more people, not less.  More people in the world need these
> opportunities for creation and community.
>
> And, if people make some money, or, better yet, make a living from
> projects they love, all the better!  Sure beats working at some stupid job,
> yes?
>
> Best,
> Mitch.
>
>
> > To: discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org
> > From: hellekin at dyne.org
> > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:48:14 -0300
> > Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] bring back the crime - "hacker" is starting
> to mean "creative entrepeneur"
>
> >
> > On 09/22/2015 03:19 PM, Mark Rosenblitt-Janssen wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Miss the good old association with crime - it made all these people
> stay
> > >> very far away.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Thank [Thor|Athena] that there's someone with some spirit on the list.
> > >
> >
> > I said earlier I didn't like the association with crime. Probably you
> > misinterpreted it, so I want to clarify. Before corporations invaded
> > the Internet, before firewalls existed, "computer crime" was probably
> > not a term at all. "Computer fraud" was, with the meaning of "fraud
> > committed with a computer". Fraud was the crime: not using a computer,
> > exploring networks, or gaining access to computers outside your premises.
> >
> > When I said I didn't like the association with crime, it's because the
> > term "hacker" is not a made up thing like "intellectual property" that
> > confounds many different things into one meaningless term. But it has
> > become just that, and the association with crime is part of why this
> > happened. When journalists brandish "hacker", they never ever mean a
> > clever solution to a tricky problem, or going where nobody has gone
> > before (fortunately, hackers don't wear spandex uniforms).
> >
> > What is considered crime is another part of the picture: it's certainly
> > a crime to penetrate an organization's network, extract secret document,
> > and blackmail the organization. The crime is "blackmail". Whether it
> > is a crime to penetrate an organization's network, extract secret
> > information, and blow the whistle is another case entirely; if the
> > secret document is revealing a crime, I think it's justice. I see no
> > "crime" in hacking under the hacker ethics, yet most countries made it a
> > crime, and often one that makes guns and killing people more appealing
> > than hitting the Enter key.
> >
> > The problem is not hacking, but the semantic field that's been applied
> > to it to blur its meaning. Is a protest a crime? In the last years we
> > can certainly wonder. The skin of what constitutes a crime moves with
> > the society's breathing. The original crime of hacking is to not remain
> > inside the preloaded squares of your life. This happens to be the
> > original duty of any citizen in a democracy to question authority--and
> > I'm not only talking about government.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > ==
> > hk
> >
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