[hackerspaces] Leadership abusing powers. Bullying. Extraordinary General Meetings.

[peter]

On 26/02/15 00:01, Jessica Ross wrote:
> Is this list becoming the new noisebridge-discuss? This has all been 
> very droll and everything, but I think it's time for a moderator to 
> step in.
>

Or you could just choose not to read this thread. *shrug*

Why do you think we need a moderator to come along and decide what 
everyone should read or post about?

Has there been anything abusive in this thread?


> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:59 PM, peter <phm at riseup.net 
> <mailto:phm at riseup.net>> wrote:
>
>
>     On 25/02/15 23:54, Derek H wrote:
>>     "If you read the thread closely, and you're smart, you might
>>     guess where I'm going (there are clues)."
>>
>>     Yeah. We get it. You're insufferable and lack any degree of
>>     properly formed human empathy. You're incredibly emotionally
>>     unaware and insist on inflicting yourself upon situations where
>>     your presence is unwelcome. NOTHING bad that happens to you is
>>     your fault, and everyone is just out to get you because they're
>>     so unenlightened. You're so advanced that you don't even
>>     understand the concept of gender. Ooh. Ahh. Now please leave us be.
>>
>
>     'We'. 'us'. Who are you talking about?
>
>
>
>
>>     On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:48 PM, peter <phm at riseup.net
>>     <mailto:phm at riseup.net>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>         On 25/02/15 23:34, Don Ankney wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:51 AM, peter <phm at riseup.net
>>>         <mailto:phm at riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On 23/02/15 05:08, Sparr wrote:
>>>>>         On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:56 PM, peter <phm at riseup.net
>>>>>         <mailto:phm at riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>             Does anyone have advice/experience with the leadership
>>>>>             abusing their powers, doing unconstitutional/unethical
>>>>>             things?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         Short answer: unless the group's bylaws give you some
>>>>>         recourse, then you have none. The leadership gets to make
>>>>>         up the rules, and if you don't like them then you can go
>>>>>         start your own club. The actual points of your arguments
>>>>>         don't matter. They could be telling you to stop wearing
>>>>>         yellow shirts, and your justification for wearing yellow
>>>>>         shirts WOULDNT MATTER.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         I beg to differ. I don't care what the 'law' says. I care
>>>>         about what is the right/moral thing to do.
>>>>
>>>>         (there is no appeal process, but I can try to call an EGM,
>>>>         which is what I'm doing)
>>>>
>>>>         If your government starts committing genocide, would you
>>>>         say 'oh well, they passed a law to make it legal, so there
>>>>         is nothing I can do?'.
>>>
>>>         Off you should choose that example.The prelude to genocide
>>>         is almost always dehumanizing the targets.
>>
>>         I was actually transhumanising, but I don't have time to
>>         explain this right now.
>>         If you read the thread closely, and you're smart, you might
>>         guess where I'm going (there are clues).
>>
>>         I'm writing a reply for the LHS cleaner thread, cos I think
>>         it's very interesting.
>>

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