[hackerspaces] Leadership abusing powers. Bullying. Extraordinary General Meetings.

peter phm at riseup.net
Thu Feb 26 00:59:46 CET 2015


On 25/02/15 23:54, Derek H wrote:
> "If you read the thread closely, and you're smart, you might guess 
> where I'm going (there are clues)."
>
> Yeah. We get it. You're insufferable and lack any degree of properly 
> formed human empathy. You're incredibly emotionally unaware and insist 
> on inflicting yourself upon situations where your presence is 
> unwelcome. NOTHING bad that happens to you is your fault, and everyone 
> is just out to get you because they're so unenlightened. You're so 
> advanced that you don't even understand the concept of gender. Ooh. 
> Ahh. Now please leave us be.
>

'We'. 'us'. Who are you talking about?



> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:48 PM, peter <phm at riseup.net 
> <mailto:phm at riseup.net>> wrote:
>
>
>     On 25/02/15 23:34, Don Ankney wrote:
>>
>>
>>     On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:51 AM, peter <phm at riseup.net
>>     <mailto:phm at riseup.net>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>     On 23/02/15 05:08, Sparr wrote:
>>>>     On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:56 PM, peter <phm at riseup.net
>>>>     <mailto:phm at riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Does anyone have advice/experience with the leadership
>>>>         abusing their powers, doing unconstitutional/unethical things?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Short answer: unless the group's bylaws give you some recourse,
>>>>     then you have none. The leadership gets to make up the rules,
>>>>     and if you don't like them then you can go start your own club.
>>>>     The actual points of your arguments don't matter. They could be
>>>>     telling you to stop wearing yellow shirts, and your
>>>>     justification for wearing yellow shirts WOULDNT MATTER.
>>>>
>>>
>>>     I beg to differ. I don't care what the 'law' says. I care about
>>>     what is the right/moral thing to do.
>>>
>>>     (there is no appeal process, but I can try to call an EGM, which
>>>     is what I'm doing)
>>>
>>>     If your government starts committing genocide, would you say 'oh
>>>     well, they passed a law to make it legal, so there is nothing I
>>>     can do?'.
>>
>>     Off you should choose that example.The prelude to genocide is
>>     almost always dehumanizing the targets.
>
>     I was actually transhumanising, but I don't have time to explain
>     this right now.
>     If you read the thread closely, and you're smart, you might guess
>     where I'm going (there are clues).
>
>     I'm writing a reply for the LHS cleaner thread, cos I think it's
>     very interesting.
>
>
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