[hackerspaces] Members under 18

[charlie wallace]

if only every kid was like coco

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Arclight <arclight at gmail.com> wrote:
> My experience is that the kids who are "mini adults" and cause no drama
> generally have parents who are good people and also don't make trouble
> appear. There is probably a cause-and-effect thing going on I think.
>
> Arclight
>
> On Nov 6, 2014 4:45 PM, "Don Ankney" <dankney at hackerco.de> wrote:
>>
>> You're conflating two questions. The first is the practical one about how
>> to go about admitting. The second one is whether you really want to. Your
>> opinion is already pretty clear:
>>
>>
>> "We've got some people who are against it because it would "ruin" their
>> favorite hangout space, or make them uncomfortable in some way."
>>
>>
>> Setting aside the pejorative overtones of this statement,  you will likely
>> lose some members over the decision to admit kids as members. Just as many
>> adults chose not to become parents, many adults don't enjoy hanging out with
>> kids. That's okay, and you should recognize that it's a perfectly valid
>> preference, and that those folks will likely wander off and find new places
>> to invest their time, effort, and money.
>>
>>
>> This decision represents cultural change. Take it seriously and have a
>> real discussion about it rather than writing off the "adults-only" faction
>> as whiners. Either decision can be positive -- just go into it with an open
>> mind and eyes and make sure it's the culture you really want to have.
>>
>>
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>> Bob Bownes <bownes at gmail.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] Members under 18
>>
>>
>> At the TVCoG, we require an adult be onsite to be responsible for anyone
>> under 18. The kid can be the member, or it can be a family membership, but
>> someone has to be responsible for them. It's really a matter of state law
>> and age of majority for us.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Alan Fay <emptyset at freesideatlanta.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's Freeside's age restrictions policy, for some ideas:
>>> https://wiki.freesideatlanta.org/fs/Policy_AgeRestrictions
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Pete Prodoehl <raster at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Our space is currently in a discussion about allowing people under 18
>>>> (16 & 17 year olds) to become members.
>>>>
>>>> We've got some people who are against it because it would "ruin" their
>>>> favorite hangout space, or make them uncomfortable in some way.
>>>>
>>>> We've got some people who are convinced that the legal/insurance aspects
>>>> will cause us to lose our insurance policy and have to shut down.
>>>>
>>>> We have some that think that while we can trust an 18 year old, a 17
>>>> year old is in no way to be trusted and will do completely stupid shit.
>>>>
>>>> We've even discussed specific rules for 16 & 17 year olds, which would
>>>> be much more limiting than members 18 or older. (They would need to have a
>>>> family member as a member, not be allowed in the space without the family
>>>> member that is a member, etc.)
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I'm sure there are spaces that allow people under 18 to be
>>>> members, or guests that can use equipment, etc. and I'm looking for real
>>>> cases especially if you've got an insurance policy that addresses minors.
>>>>
>>>> thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pete
>>>>
>>>>
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