[hackerspaces] Does the maker culture get the step on the hackers culture?

Torrie Fischer tdfischer at hackerbots.net
Sat Jul 5 04:24:13 CEST 2014

On Friday, July 04, 2014 13:56:10 Mark Janssen wrote:
> > Seriously - who the hell (other than yourself) decided that you are the
> > ne plus ultra authority on all that ails America?
> > No, your writing isn't offensive to me; rather, it's laughable because
> > it simply doesn't stand up to critical thinking.
> > What I do find mildly
> > irksome, however, is your arrogance and presumptuousness, and
> > specifically that you seem to believe that you can tell me (or anyone
> > else) that we need to mould ourselves to your ideas of how the world
> > should work.
> > For someone who seems to hold the apparent hacker ideal of freedom of
> > thought in high regard, everything of yours that I have read seems to
> > indicate that we should all bend to your will, as your will and ideals
> > are the only ones that are correct.  Bloody hypocrite.
> > Kindly stop presuming to speak for me or anyone else, and feel free to
> > eat shit and die if you think for one second that I will tolerate you
> > presuming to do so.  You certainly have the right to speak your mind,
> > but your mind is certainly not mine - and neither should you assume that
> > it is anyone else's.
> Let me sum up your message:  "don't tell me what to do!".  Got it.
> But I wasn't.  I was informing you on the state of the world that you
> might not be familiar because if you're like many Americans and others
> in the G8 economies, your life has been subsidized by the luxuries of
> Conquest, and you've lapsed into complete irresponsibility like
> everybody else (what's called "drinking the koolaid").
> You could have ignored the information, but you got on the defensive,
> pointing out latent guilty feelings on your part.  Most drink alcohol
> at that point for this -- one of the reasons it's misused on a
> wide-scale in America (speaking of "volatilecompounds"), with AA
> meetings in most every city.

fun fact: AA meetings started in Akron, same city as SYNHAK which started this 
discussion. COINCIDENCE?

> In any case, I have to label you a "faux rebel", because while
> asserting your independence (which, by the way, was already granted by
> America and probably everyone already  on the list), you couldn't
> actually address the points that were raised.
> Til next time...
> marcos
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